柯博拉访谈｜玫瑰姐妹会专访柯博拉“12：21 扬升传送门启动 第二部分”

Sisterhood of the Rose Interview with Cobra "12:21 ASCENSION PORTAL ACTIVATION PART 2"

玫瑰姐妹会专访柯博拉“12：21 扬升传送门启动 第二部分”

Thursday, July 02, 2026

Sisterhood of the Rose, in conjunction with the Cobra International Team, organized an interview with chief intel provider "Cobra" in June of 2026 to discuss the importance of the 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation Part 2 taking place in July, along with many other topics from manifestation to healing, to the Event and Ascension, to the planetary situation, soul families, Goddess energy, and much more!

玫瑰姐妹会与柯博拉国际团队合作，于2026年6月组织了一次与主要情报提供者“柯博拉”的访谈，讨论了7月举行的12：21扬升传送门启动第二部分的重要性，以及从显化到疗愈、事件与扬升以及全球局势等多个话题。 灵魂家族、女神能量，以及更多精彩内容！

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Below is the transcript of the interview:

以下是采访的文字记录：

Debra: Hello, this is Debra with the Sisterhood of the Rose Planetary Network. Today I'm speaking again with Cobra, who is the chief intel provider for the Resistance Movement, where he offers important planetary and galactic information at his blog 2012portal.blogspot.com. We are going to be discussing many things today; from manifestation to healing, to the Event and Ascension, to the planetary situation, soul families, Goddess energy, and much more. And of course, our primary topic, the important upcoming 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation Part 2 coming this July. Lots to talk about! So let's get started. Welcome, Cobra, and thank you for joining me.

黛布拉：你好，我是玫瑰星球网络姐妹会的黛布拉。今天我再次与柯博拉对话，他是抵抗运动的首席情报提供者，在他的博客 2012portal.blogspot.com 中提供重要的行星和银河信息。今天我们将讨论许多事情;从显化到疗愈，再到事件与扬升，再到行星状况、灵魂家族、女神能量，以及更多内容。当然，我们的主要话题是即将于今年七月发布的重要 12：21 扬升门户启动第二部分。有很多话题可以聊！那我们开始吧。欢迎你，柯博拉，感谢你加入我。

Cobra: Thank you for this invitation.

柯博拉：  感谢您的邀请。

 

ASTROLOGICAL CONFIGURATIONS

Debra: Yeah, it's great to speak with you again. So it's been almost a year since our last interview where we discussed the 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation that took place last August, which was one of the greatest energy shifts of our lifetimes. That was Part 1 of this important activation. Now the opening of the second part of the 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation is taking place actually this July, on the 25th. We'll be using the opportunity of the massive astrological configurations coming one after the other in July to create a portal through which we're going to unify our consciousness and trigger the process that will further optimize the Ascension timeline for the planet. This unification will be done via a series of 20-minute global mass meditations. I would especially like to stress that the more people that participate, the more powerful and positive the results, for both humanity and the planet.

黛布拉：  是的，很高兴再次和你交谈。距离我们上次采访，讨论去年八月发生的 12：21 扬升传送门启动，那是我们一生中最伟大的能量转移之一，已经快一年了。这就是这次重要启动的第一部分。现在，12：21 扬升传送门启动的第二部分实际上将在今年 7 月 25 日开启。我们将利用七月接连出现的巨大占星构造机会，创造一个门户，通过它统一我们的意识，触发进一步优化星球扬升时间线的过程。这种统一将通过一系列 20 分钟的全球大规模冥想来完成。我特别想强调，参与的人越多，结果就越强大、越积极，对人类和地球都有益。

So Cobra, before we discuss this important Part 2 upgrade of the 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation on July 25th and the big meditation, I'd like to ask you about each of the powerful astrological configurations that lead up to that moment. And because it's essential that a critical mass of 144,000 people participate in that July 25th meditation, at each of these three powerful astrological configurations prior to July 25th, there will be “booster” meditations to ensure critical mass is reached for the fourth main meditation on the 25th. So the first big date and booster meditation we're looking at is July 15th at 8:28 PM UTC, where Uranus comes into a harmonious sextile with Neptune. Now, Uranus is the planet of rebellion, change, and sudden transformations, and Neptune is a planet of the mystical, compassionate, spiritual and creative energies. So Cobra, what can we expect from this first important configuration of Uranus and Neptune?

所以柯博拉，在我们讨论7月25日12：21扬升门户启动的第二部分重要升级和大冥想之前，我想先问你关于导致那一刻的强大占星配置。而且，由于在7月25日之前，在这三种强大的占星配置中，必须有144,000人的临界人数参与，因此会有“助推”冥想，以确保在25日第四次主要冥想时达到临界质量。所以我们关注的第一个重要日期和助推冥想是在7月15日协调世界时晚上8：28，天王星与海王星形成和谐六分相。天王星是叛逆、变化和突变的行星，海王星则是神秘、富有同情心、精神和创造力的行星。那么柯博拉，我们可以期待天王星和海王星首次重要配置带来什么？

Cobra: This is a very harmonious configuration which triggers strong spiritual awakening; fast, sudden, and harmonious spiritual progress for humanity. This will be a very harmonious energy, and our booster meditation, this will be our first booster meditation, will make a solid ground for the next few booster meditations and for the main meditation on July 25th. So it's a very good, very harmonious beginning of the whole process that we are experiencing in July.

柯博拉：  这是一种非常和谐的构造，能触发强烈的精神觉醒;为人类带来快速、突发且和谐的精神进步。这将是一种非常和谐的能量，我们的助推冥想——这将是我们的第一次助推冥想——为接下来的几次助推冥想以及 7 月 25 日的主冥想打下坚实的基础。所以这是我们七月经历的整个过程的一个非常好、非常和谐的开始。

Debra: Excellent. Is this sudden spiritual awakening for every human on the Earth irrespective of their free will, or does it happen for only those who are having at least minimum willingness?

黛布拉：  太好了。这种突如其来的精神觉醒，是地球上每个人无论自由意志如何，还是只有那些至少有最低意愿的人才会发生？

Cobra: Okay. The energies will be present for everybody. Those who are more open for them and more willing to receive them will benefit more from them, but the energies will be present for the whole planet.

柯博拉：  好的。能量将为所有人而存在。那些更愿意接受这些能量的人会从中受益更多，但这些能量将惠及整个地球。

Debra: Wonderful. Now the second booster meditation takes place on July 18th at 4:45 AM UTC and there will be a Uranus and Pluto trine, which is also harmonious. In addition to Uranus being a planet of change, Pluto is also a planet of transformation and it illuminates our capacity for rebirth and psychological healing. So Cobra, what does this configuration signify and what's your expectation about that combination?

黛布拉：  太好了。第二次助推冥想将于 7 月 18 日凌晨 4：45（协调世界时）进行，届时将出现天王星与冥王星的三分相，这也是和谐的。除了天王星是变化之星，冥王星也是一颗转化之星，它照亮了我们重生和心理疗愈的能力。那么，柯博拉，这个配置意味着什么？你对这种组合有什么期待？

Cobra: That is a very powerful combination which signifies spiritual revolution. So our second booster meditation will be a very powerful one. It will not be so gentle, but it will be extremely powerful. So it will be like, I would say, a quantum leap to the next stage of preparation for the main activation.

柯博拉：  这是一个非常强大的组合，象征着精神上的革命。所以我们的第二次助推冥想将非常有力。它不会那么温柔，但会极其强大。所以我认为这将是一次质的飞跃，进入主启动准备的下一阶段。

Debra: Wow. Then Jupiter, the planet of optimism makes three strong astrological aspects starting on July 20th, with a Jupiter Neptune trine, then as a Jupiter Pluto opposition, and culminating on July 21st at 11:11 AM UTC with a Jupiter Uranus Sextile, which is when the third booster meditation takes place. Now, Cobra, would you elaborate about these three astrological aspects during these days and what we might expect from them?

黛布拉：  哇。接着，木星，这个乐观之星，从 7 月 20 日开始，形成三个强烈的占星相位，先是木星与海王星三分相，随后是木星冥王星冲相，最终在 7 月 21 日上午 11：11（UTC）以木星与天王星六分相达到高潮，这时正好进行第三次助推冥想。现在，柯博拉，你能详细说明这三个占星相位在这些日子里，以及我们可能期待它们带来什么吗？

Cobra: Okay. What is happening is that three outer planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, are having a strong interplay in the second part of July, and Jupiter making aspects with all three outer planets on July 20th and July 21st is like a trigger which activates that interplay. It's like the trigger moment which starts the peak of the process. And Jupiter, as I would say the lucky planet, is very favorably positioned in a very favorable location on the zodiac to activate those three planets. The only possible tension and stress would be with Jupiter Pluto opposition, but that tension is necessary to release whatever is suppressed, all the suppressed blockages which might hinder this activation. So there will be a little bit of a process taking place, but the rest of it will be very favorable and very harmonious.

柯博拉：  好的。发生的情况是，三颗外行星——天王星、海王星和冥王星——在七月下旬有着强烈的相互作用，而木星在 7 月 20 日和 7 月 21 日与三颗外行星形成相位，就像触发了这种相互作用的触发点。这就像触发点，开始了过程的高峰。而木星，正如我所说，幸运的行星，在黄道中处于非常有利的位置，能够启动这三颗行星。唯一可能的张力和压力是与木星、冥王星冲日相冲时，但这种张力是释放被压抑的东西、所有可能阻碍这种启动的阻碍的必要因素。所以会有一些过程，但其余部分会非常有利且和谐。

Debra: Okay, good. You mentioned breakthroughs. What kind of breakthroughs do you mean? Can you give us some examples of what we might expect?

黛布拉：  好，太好了。你提到了突破。你说的是什么样的突破？你能举一些我们可以期待的例子吗？

Cobra: I would say one part of the subconscious field of humanity will have to be purified and transformed through that process. So there will be a breakthrough there. I mean, one part of the Akashic records, one part of a collective suppressed history, all that will need to be cleared at that moment.

柯博拉：  我认为人类潜意识场域的一部分必须通过这个过程被净化和转化。所以那里会有突破。我的意思是，阿卡西记录的一部分，集体被压抑的历史的一部分，所有这些都需要在那一刻被清除。

Debra: Interesting. How do you think these booster meditations will help to prepare everyone for the very big synchronized meditation on July 25th and contribute to its success?

黛布拉：  有意思。你认为这些助推冥想如何帮助大家为 7 月 25 日的大型同步冥想做好准备，并助力其成功？

Cobra: The booster meditations are working on the same principle as boosters in a multi-stage rocket. Each of the booster meditations makes a propulsion, I would say, a lift to the next level of energies and this is building up to the final moment. So in this way, it is much easier to get a critical mass than if you would do it without them.

柯博拉：  助推器的冥想原理与多级火箭中的助推器相同。每一次助推冥想都推动着能量的提升，我认为是将能量提升到下一个层次，这一切都在为最终时刻铺垫。因此，获得临界质量比没有它们要容易得多。

And also in July at that time, July 20th/July 21st, there will be a very harmonious, very auspicious astrological configuration called the Barbault Basket. Barbault was a French astrologer who is famous because he predicted the COVID pandemic before it happened. He predicted the timeframe. It was published in the astrological journal in France before the pandemic. So it was actually a prediction that came true and his prediction for this configuration is the most favorable astrological configuration of the 21st century. He is in a way describing this as a marker for the beginning of the Golden Age, in a certain way. So there is a lot of astrological support for this process. There are a lot of very positive energies which were not present before in the solar system.

而且在7月20日/21日，将有一个非常和谐、吉祥的占星配置，称为巴尔博篮。巴尔博是一位法国占星师，他因在疫情爆发前预言了疫情而闻名。他预测了时间范围。它发表在疫情前法国的占星期刊上。所以这实际上是一个预言成真，他对这个配置的预测是21世纪最有利的占星配置。他在某种程度上将此描述为黄金时代开始的标志。因此，这一过程有大量占星支持。太阳系中存在许多以前不存在的正能量。

Debra: Wow, it sounds like it. So when it comes to these large mass meditations, we know that it's important to reach the critical mass of the symbolic number of 144,000 participants. And to achieve this, we really hope to involve people who are maybe not necessarily very familiar with meditation or our topics, but wondering to what extent does experience with meditation or knowledge of our content have a strong or weak effect on the success?

黛布拉：  哇，听起来确实如此。所以，在这些大型弥撒冥想中，我们知道达到象征性人数 144,000 人的关键是非常重要的。为此，我们真的希望能吸引那些可能不一定非常熟悉冥想或我们主题的人参与，但他们想知道冥想经验或对我们内容的了解对成功有多大或多大的影响？

Cobra: What is important is not so much the exact knowledge of what's happening, that helps of course, but what is important is the willingness and intention. So if people have an intention to do this meditation, to participate in it, and to contribute to the critical mass, this is all that is needed. Even if they have no prior experience with meditation, they just need to do the best they can and that's it. And if enough people do that, we will have a very strong effect.

柯博拉：  重要的不是对发生事情的确切了解，这当然有帮助，而是有意愿和意图。所以如果人们有意愿进行这种冥想，参与其中，并为临界质量做出贡献，这就足够了。即使他们没有冥想经验，也只需要尽力而为，仅此而已。如果足够多的人这样做，我们将产生非常强大的影响。

Debra: Okay, very good. So it's really about the numbers.

黛布拉：  好的，非常好。所以这其实是关于数字。

Cobra: More or less so, yes.

柯博拉：  差不多是这样。

Debra: Okay. So now before we start talking about the fourth and biggest astrological configuration on July 25th, that's where there's going to be the first exact Pluto Neptune sextile after four decades, I'd like to ask you a question. How is it that planets and their configurations can have such a great impact on us - like our lives, our consciousness, our society as a whole?

黛布拉：  好的。所以在我们开始讨论 7 月 25 日第四个也是最大的占星配置之前，那是四十年来首次出现冥王星与海王星六分相的时刻，我想问你一个问题。行星及其结构如何能对我们产生如此巨大的影响——比如我们的生活、我们的意识，甚至整个社会？

Cobra: What is happening is that planets create resonance fields, interference patterns. So planets are moving around the solar system and they project energies as they move around the solar system. On the physical plane, it is not so much; this is just on the physical plane this is not so visible, but on the energetic planes, there is a strong energy field which is emanated by each of the planets. And the combination of those energy fields create a resonance mandala. And this mandala influences everything on Earth. It does not determine what will happen, but it definitely does influence what will happen. And if you can look at human history and study the astrological influences on human history, you will see very, very strong correlation.

柯博拉：  发生的事情是行星产生共振场和干涉图样。行星在太阳系内运动，随着运动向投射能量。在物理层面上，情况则不那么明显;这只是物理层面上不太明显，但在能量层面上，每个行星都会发出强烈的能量场。这些能量场的组合形成了一个共振曼荼罗。而这个曼荼罗影响着地球上的一切。它不能决定会发生什么，但肯定会影响接下来会发生什么。如果你能研究人类历史，研究占星学对人类历史的影响，你会发现两者之间有非常非常强的相关性。

Debra: I believe we talked in the past that planets are actually living beings, correct?

黛布拉：  我记得我们以前谈过行星其实是有生命的生命体，对吗？

Cobra: Yes.

柯博拉：  是的。

Debra: Yes. And before we move on, I'd like to ask you about the first part last year of the Ascension Portal Activation. That was considered a success. Can you tell us what some of the positives are that came out of that?

黛布拉：  是的。在我们继续之前，我想问你去年扬升传送门启动的第一部分。这被认为是一次成功。你能告诉我们这次经历中有哪些积极的方面吗？

Cobra: The most positive outcome of that was that finally it was becoming possible for Lightworkers en-masse to start working on their Golden Timelines. So basically to take their lives in their own hands, start making decisions, and start making better lives for themselves. I would say enough anomaly was cleared so that we could finally begin to utilize our free will again, and that's a huge achievement. It might not feel like that at this moment, but I would say it's a historic shift, because when people start utilizing free will again, that will lead to drastic consequences in a positive way on the surface of the planet. So we are not slaves anymore. We are starting to use our free will again on a massive scale. There are hundreds, or even thousands or tens of thousands of people who are part of this meditation, who are part of this activation, and are now using their free will. And that's a huge number and this will have long-lasting consequences for the future timelines on this planet.

柯博拉：  最积极的结果是，光之工者终于可以大规模开始着手他们的黄金时间线。基本上就是要掌握自己的人生，开始做决定，开始为自己创造更好的生活。我认为已经清除了足够的异常，让我们终于可以重新开始使用自由意志，这已经是巨大的成就。此刻可能感觉不到，但我认为这是一个历史性的转变，因为当人们重新开始使用自由意志时，将以积极的方式在地球表面带来剧烈的后果。所以我们不再是奴隶了。我们开始大规模再次使用自由意志。有数百，甚至数千甚至数万人参与了这种冥想，参与了这种启动，并且现在正在运用他们的自由意志。这是一个巨大的数字，这将对地球上的未来时间线产生深远影响。

Debra: Could you speak a little bit more about what, not just that meditation, but the series of meditations that we've been doing over the years, because I know some people get frustrated when they don't see anything physically happening on the planet itself, on the surface. Could you speak a little bit just about the impact of these meditations that happen consecutively and consistently one after the other, maybe them building upon each other, what positive effects they have?

黛布拉：  你能不能多谈谈那些冥想，不仅仅是那种冥想，还有我们这些年来做的一系列冥想，因为我知道有些人在地球表面看不到任何物理现象时会感到沮丧。你能谈谈这些连续且持续不断地进行的冥想所带来的影响吗？它们可能相互建立，带来了哪些积极效果？

Cobra: Many wars were prevented, many negative things that would have otherwise [occurred] have been prevented. Of course, people have greater expectations, and I also had greater expectations, and we were all expecting things to get better and easier before, but there is simply so much darkness on this planet that it takes time to resolve all of this. So it is not a question if this is working or not. It is just a question how much it has to transform and it's a lot. Believe me, it's a lot.

柯博拉：  许多战争被避免，许多本可能发生的负面事件也被避免。当然，人们的期望更高，我也有更高的期望，我们之前都期待事情会变得更好、更容易，但这个星球上有太多黑暗，解决这一切需要时间。所以这不是问题，这是否有效。问题是它需要多大程度的转变，而且这已经很多了。相信我，这真的很多。

12:21 ASCENSION PORTAL ACTIVATION PART 2

Debra: I'm sure, it sure seems like it. All right, now let's delve into the importance of Part 2 of the 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation on July 25th. And of course we know we have that grand global mass meditation that takes place at 5:53 AM UTC. Let's start by speaking about what makes this date so significant and the astrology that goes with that.

黛布拉：  我相信，看起来确实如此。好了，现在让我们深入探讨 7 月 25 日 12：21 扬升门户启动第二部分的重要性。当然，我们也知道有那个在协调世界时凌晨 5：53 举行的大型全球大众冥想。让我们先谈谈是什么让这个日期如此重要，以及与之相关的占星学。

Cobra: Okay. What is happening on that date is the Neptune Sextile Pluto. So that is a very harmonious and extremely positive astrological aspect, which basically means the beginning of a Golden Age, astrologically speaking and spiritually speaking. It is the beginning of the arrival of the Golden Age energies back again. Those energies were present on the surface of the planet between early 1950s until I would say 1986. And this was a time period of a great spiritual awakening on the planet. This was a time of the the most intense spiritual progress of humanity since times of Atlantis. Many things happened that were a very good nature. There was a lot of spiritual awakening, a lot of new revelations, a lot of healing was taking place in that timeframe, and now this energy is coming back again after four decades.

柯博拉：  好的。那天发生的事情就是海王星六分冥王星。所以这是一个非常和谐且极其积极的占星相位，基本上意味着从占星和精神层面来看，黄金时代的开始。这标志着黄金时代能量重新回归的开始。这些能量从 20 世纪 50 年代初一直存在于地球表面，直到我认为是 1986 年。那是地球上经历重大精神觉醒的时期。那是自亚特兰蒂斯时代以来人类精神进步最为激烈的时期。发生了很多非常好的事情。那段时间里，经历了大量的精神觉醒、新的启示和疗愈，而现在，这股能量在四十年后又重新回来了。

Debra: Wow, excellent, excellent. It sounds very exciting. I feel it would be beneficial for people to understand better at this point what the meaning of 12:21 is. Would you please explain what it represents, how it's an upgraded version of the 11:11 code, and what the 12:21 conversion does exactly?

黛布拉：  哇，太棒了，太棒了。听起来非常令人兴奋。我觉得现在大家最好更好地理解 12：21 的含义。请您解释一下它代表什么，它是如何升级版的 11：11 代码，以及 12：21 转换具体做什么？

Cobra: I would not say it's an upgraded version of the 11:11 code. The 11:11 code is very important and actually allowed us to get access to the world of oneness again, where the 12:21 code is another code, which is extremely important as well. And this 12:21 code transforms this world as it is. It transmutes all darkness and it actually assists, or I would even say causes, the Ascension process for this planet.

柯博拉：  我不会说它是 11：11 代码的升级版。11：11 的代码非常重要，实际上让我们重新进入了合一的世界，而 12：21 的代码则是另一个同样极其重要的代码。而这段 12：21 的代码改变了这个世界。它转化了所有黑暗，实际上帮助，甚至我会说促成了这颗星球的扬升进程。

Debra: So the Keys to the New Heaven and New Earth, which we'll talk more about later, they were unified for the first time on May 24th during an important astrological marker that were anchored in Bora Bora during your workshop there, which were also enhanced by Lightworkers around the world who were anchoring the energy in their own locations. Now, you've said that at the moment of July 25th, and Neptune Pluto sextile, this unification will be strong enough to start hell to heaven conversions on the mental, astral, etheric and physical planes on the surface hell layer on earth. And it definitely does seem like a hell layer, doesn't it? So this conversion sounds like exactly what this planet needs! But practically speaking, can you describe to us what is hell to heaven conversions? What will it do?

黛布拉：  所以，通往新天堂和新地球的钥匙，我们稍后会详细谈到，它们首次在 5 月 24 日被统一，当时这些标记锚定在波拉波拉，这些标记在你工作坊期间锚定在波拉波拉，同时也得到了全球光之工作者的增强，他们将能量锚定在各自的地点。你说过，在 7 月 25 日那一刻，海王星冥王星与冥王星六分相，这种统一将足够强大，足以在地狱地狱层的心灵、星光、以太和物质层面上开始地狱向天堂的转变。而且这确实看起来像是地狱层，不是吗？所以这次转换听起来正是这个星球所需要的！但实际上，你能给我们描述一下地狱到天堂的转变吗？它会做什么？

Cobra: This is a process through which the Absolute or the Source and very advanced Light beings transmute the hellish condition which is found here on a quantum level. So what is happening is that each situation that is manifested is a result of combinations of various possible outcomes. And by eliminating potential negative outcomes for the future situations, the hellish aspect will be reduced gradually on the surface of the planet. This has never happened before, not here. So this is like elimination of potential negative outcomes. This is the easiest way to explain this.

柯博拉：  通过这个过程，绝对者或源头以及非常先进的光之存在，将这里在量子层面上存在的地狱般的状态转化出来。所以，发生的情况是，每一个显现出来的情境都是多种可能结果组合的结果。通过消除未来可能带来的负面结果，地狱般地狱的存在感将逐渐减少。这种情况以前从未发生过，尤其在这里。所以这就像是排除潜在的负面结果。这是最简单的解释方式。

Debra: Fantastic. Would you please explain how our combined focus consciousness when we do the mass meditation together on July 25th will contribute to this hell to heaven conversion?

黛布拉：  太棒了。您能否解释一下，当我们在 7 月 25 日一起进行大规模冥想时，我们共同的专注意识将如何促进从地狱到天堂的转变？

Cobra: If we get the critical mass, we will be able to anchor a lot of that energy through our energy fields. And even if we do not reach the critical mass, this will start happening to a degree, but if we reach the critical mass, it will be much more pronounced, it will be much faster, and much more effective.

柯博拉：  如果我们达到临界质量，就能通过我们的能量场锚定大量能量。即使我们没有达到临界质量，这种情况也会在一定程度上开始发生，但如果达到临界质量，这种变化会更加明显、更快、更有效。

Debra: Motivation for reaching critical mass for sure! So you mentioned these conversions would be perturbations of the quantum field, but they would be filtered by the 12:21 conversion zone of the Antarion conversion. What are perturbations in this instance, and how exactly does the creation of them lead to a positive outcome? And how does this clearing process start and continue to work?

黛布拉：  这确实是达到临界质量的动力！你提到这些转换是量子场的扰动，但会被安塔里昂转换的 12：21 转换区过滤。在这种情况下，什么是扰动？它们的产生究竟如何导致积极的结果？那么，这个清算流程是如何开始并持续运作的？

Cobra: So again, in each manifestation of any possible event, there are various possible combinations, various possible outcomes, how certain things can manifest. And by eliminating the negative aspects, the negative elements from these possible combinations, there will be less and less negative manifestations happening. And this is how this clearing process goes, by removing from the quantum field the negative potentials. And this is exactly what's going to start happening after July 25th.

柯博拉：  所以，在任何可能事件的每种表现中，都有各种组合、不同结果、某些事情如何表现。通过消除这些可能组合中的负面因素，负面表现会越来越少。这就是这个清除过程的过程，通过从量子场中去除负势。而这正是 7 月 25 日之后将开始发生的事情。

Debra: Okay, so you mentioned that after July 25th, those hell to heaven conversions will begin transmuting sets and subsets of bad situations in a non-linear fashion, which is I think what you were just talking about, with certain bad situation sets being resolved before the other. Can you give us examples of those bad situations, and what are the criteria for which bad situation sets are resolved before others?

黛布拉：  好的，你提到 7 月 25 日之后，那些“地狱到天堂”的转换会开始以非线性的方式转化糟糕情况的集合和子集合，我想这正是你刚才说的，某些糟糕的情境集合会先解决。你能举例说明那些糟糕的情况吗？哪些糟糕情况比其他情况更早解决，标准是什么？

Cobra: If you want examples of the bad situations, just open any website or any news portal and you will see many of them, and you can just review your life whatever was happening and you can also remember many of them. And how those situations will be resolved, it will be not linear. There will be certain aspects of anomaly, certain aspects of quantum negative field will be resolved before the other. And it is very hard to tell exactly what will be cleared first. It is a very complex process. So it will look quite random, but after some time after this process starts, people will begin to notice that things are flowing more smoothly. There is less chaos, there is less negativity, and certain bad things that were happening before simply stop happening.

柯博拉：  如果你想了解糟糕的情况，只要打开任何网站或新闻门户，你就能看到许多这样的情况，你可以回顾当时发生的事，同时也能记住许多。而这些情况如何解决，也不会是线性的。异常的某些方面，量子负场的某些方面会先被解决。而且很难准确判断哪些会先被清除。这是一个非常复杂的过程。所以看起来会很随机，但在这个过程开始一段时间后，人们会开始注意到事情流畅了许多。混乱减少，负面情绪减少，之前发生的一些坏事也停止了。

Debra: Great. Well, we'll take whatever conversions we can get. That's awesome. Can you recommend any physical embodiment of the 12:21 conversion? If we can bring such items to Gaza or Iran, would it help to transmute war into peace?

黛布拉：  太好了。好吧，我们接受任何能转换的。太棒了。你能推荐 12：21 转换的具体体现吗？如果我们能把这些物资带到加沙或伊朗，是否有助于将战争转化为和平？

Cobra: Yes, of course it would help. And I think everybody's quite familiar with many of them. There are Cintamani stones, emeralds, and opals. These are the main crystals, those stones are, I would say, the most powerful embodiment of that conversion.

柯博拉：  是的，当然会有帮助。我想大家对其中很多都相当熟悉。有如意宝珠、祖母绿和蛋白石。这些是主要的水晶，我认为这些石头是转化最强大的体现。

Debra: Okay, very good. We'll be speaking more about those stones in a little bit. So Part 2 of the 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation is an upgrade of last year's Part 1. And you've indicated that Part 2 will anchor the 12th Ray of cosmic paradise. Would you please describe what is the 12th Ray of cosmic paradise and how we might envision it, and what we might expect from it?

黛布拉：  好的，非常好。我们稍后会详细谈谈这些石头。所以 12：21 扬升传送门启动的第二部分是去年第一部分的升级版。你还说第二部分将锚定宇宙天堂的第 12 射线。请您描述一下什么是宇宙天堂的第十二射线，我们可以如何设想它，以及我们可以期待什么？

Cobra: Okay. This is the embodiment of the, I would say, perfect archetype that is coming from the Absolute. That is the most positive archetype that exists. And what we can expect from it, we can expect the Golden Age. This is what is going to happen one way or the other as soon as possible.

柯博拉：  好的。这就是我认为来自绝对者的完美原型的体现。这是目前最积极的原型。我们可以期待它带来的，就是黄金时代。无论如何，这都是尽快会发生的事。

Debra: Is the energy intake of this cosmic paradise dependent on the consciousness levels of the Lightworker, or is it the same for everyone?

黛布拉：  这个宇宙乐园的能量摄入是否取决于光之工作者的意识水平，还是对所有人都一样？

Cobra: This energy will be coming everywhere. Of course, it will be coming more to the areas which are more pure energetically. And of course, if somebody is more open for those energies, that person will be able to experience this more strongly.

柯博拉：  这股能量将无处不在。当然，它会更多地流向能量更纯净的区域。当然，如果有人更开放地接受这些能量，那个人就能更强烈地体验到这种感觉。

Debra: Okay, good. So you were talking about how the energies of July 25th will finally start bringing in the energies of the Golden Age. What do you envision for this? How do you perceive the Golden Age on Earth?

黛布拉：  好，太好了。所以你刚才说到 7 月 25 日的能量终于会带来黄金时代的能量。你对此有什么设想？你如何看待地球上的黄金时代？

Cobra: The Golden Age will really start coming after the Event - after the arrest of the Cabal, after the removal of darkness, and when new technologies are introduced, when the med beds are introduced, when there is First Contact with positive extraterrestrial races, and when human beings finally begin to live in peace and harmony. And when there will be a lot of creativity, a lot of spiritual growth, and Islands of Light, all that. This is all what's going to happen. This is all part of the process.

柯博拉：  黄金时代真正开始于事件之后——在阴谋集团被捕之后，黑暗被消除之后，当新技术被引入，医疗床被引入，当与正面的外星种族首次接触，以及人类终于开始和平共处时。届时会有大量创造力、精神成长，还有《光之岛》等。这就是接下来会发生的事。这都是过程的一部分。

Debra: Okay, fabulous. Yeah, we'll be talking about those things too in a moment. But we will start seeing elements of the Golden Age prior to this?

黛布拉：  好的，太棒了。是的，我们马上也会谈到这些。但我们会在这之前看到黄金时代的元素吗？

Cobra: The first thing that will happen will be positive energies starting to come in, which is already happening to a certain degree in certain areas under certain conditions. And those positive energies, like the energies of New Heaven which are already present to a degree, all this will be getting stronger and stronger. There will be physical signs, like the disclosure process which is taking place. There will be more physical signs coming, and at a certain point this will become undeniable. So when this process accelerates to a senior stage, it will be undeniable.

柯博拉：  首先会发生的是正能量开始流入，这种能量在某些区域和特定条件下已经在一定程度上发生了。而那些积极的能量，就像新天堂的能量一样，已经在一定程度上存在，这一切都会越来越强烈。会有实体迹象，比如正在进行的披露过程。还会有更多物理迹象出现，到某个时候这会变得不可否认。所以当这个过程加速进入高级阶段时，这一点将是不可否认的。

Debra: Okay, great. So regarding July 25th, that meditation, if we reach the critical mass of 144,000 people meditating, what changes can Lightworkers expect? I know you've talked a little bit, but specifically what changes in the energy bodies can be observed? Will we see any observable change in the physical body, like getting healed or age reversal, et cetera?

黛布拉：  好的，太好了。那么关于 7 月 25 日那个冥想，如果我们达到 144,000 人冥想的临界人数，光之工作者可以期待哪些变化？我知道你已经说了一点，但具体来说，能量体有哪些变化可以被观察到？我们会看到身体上有任何可观察到的变化吗，比如愈合或逆转衰老等等？

Cobra: Okay, I'm not expecting anything drastic. There, of course, can be drastic healings or quantum leaps that can happen, but what I'm expecting is a subtle but strong and irreversible process of more and more Light, more and more positive energies, and bad situations disappearing faster and faster.

柯博拉：  好吧，我不指望会有什么大变化。当然，也可能发生剧烈的疗愈或量子飞跃，但我预期的是一个微妙却强烈且不可逆转的过程，越来越多的光、越来越多的正能量和糟糕的局面会越来越快地消失。

Debra: Okay. And does this apply to specific changes for humanity as a whole?

黛布拉：  好的。这是否适用于整个人类的具体变化？

Cobra: This will be individual and planetary processes at the same time. So again, certain people will experience this before others. Certain situations will be resolved before others. And at a certain point, this will be felt also on the geopolitical stage.

柯博拉：  这将是个体和行星过程同时发生的。所以，有些人会比其他人更早经历这种情况。某些情况会先解决。在某个阶段，这种影响也会在地缘政治舞台上显现出来。

Debra: Okay, very good. So I have a curious question. Is this Part 2 the second half of the 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation, or do you anticipate there being additional parts in the future?

黛布拉：  好的，非常好。所以我有个好奇的问题。这是 12：21 扬升门户启动的后半部分吗，还是你预计未来会有更多部分？

Cobra: This is classified information at this point.

柯博拉：  目前这些信息属于机密。

 

NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH KEYS

新天堂与新地钥匙

Debra: Okay, understood. I'd like to circle back about the New Heaven and New Earth keys. What are the specific qualities of each of these keys, and why are these two keys and their merger so important at this time?

黛布拉：  好的，明白了。我想回头谈谈新天堂和新地球的钥匙。这两把钥匙的具体特性是什么？为什么这两把钥匙及其合并在这个时期如此重要？

Cobra: Okay. New Heaven Key is the one that has been born on, I would say created or born, on August 11,1999 at the moment of the total solar eclipse. And its name says everything. It's New Heaven. It's like the key which transforms the cosmos. It eats up darkness. It removes darkness. It creates a universe where only Light exists, where only positivity exists. The New Earth key is a subset of that key and is especially created (it was born on August 21st last year), and it was especially created for the surface of this planet because the conditions here are unique. It's a quarantine planet and it needs a little bit different key. This one is more grounded. It is more physical, and it anchors absolutely positive energies into the physical matter and on the surface of the planet.

柯博拉：  好的。新天堂钥匙是诞生于 1999 年 8 月 11 日日全食时刻的那个。它的名字说明了一切。这是新天堂。它就像那把改变宇宙的钥匙。它吞噬黑暗。它消除了黑暗。它创造了一个只有光存在、只有积极存在的宇宙。新地球钥匙是该钥匙的一个子集，是特别被创造出来的（它诞生于去年 8 月 21 日），而且它是专门为这个星球表面而设计的，因为这里的条件是独一无二的。这是个隔离星球，需要一点不同的钥匙。这部更接地气。它更为物理化，将绝对的正能量锚定在物质和地球表面。

Debra: I'm curious, do other planets have this New Heaven key?

黛布拉：  我很好奇，其他星球也有这个新天堂钥匙吗？

Cobra: Yes, of course. It's very much present throughout the universe right now.

柯博拉：  是的，当然。它现在在宇宙中非常普遍。

Debra: Right. Okay, that makes sense. How can surface humanity use these keys in their daily lives?

黛布拉： 好吧，这说得通。地面人类如何在日常生活中使用这些钥匙？

Cobra: If you connect to those energies, you can experience quite strong healing. For example, if you connect with a New Heaven key, you can get inspiration, you can get contact with your Higher Self, you can get a lot of healing. And with the New Earth key, you can accelerate the manifestation process, especially abundance and any manifestation related to your physical life. People had strong breakthroughs in their financial situations and other situations using that key.

柯博拉：  如果你连接这些能量，你会体验到相当强烈的疗愈。例如，如果你与新天堂的钥匙连接，你可以获得灵感，与你的更高自我接触，获得大量的疗愈。有了新地球钥匙，你可以加速显化过程，尤其是丰盛和任何与你物质生活相关的显化。人们在财务状况和其他情况下都取得了显著突破，正是利用这把钥匙。

Debra: What is your suggestion on how best to use these keys?

黛布拉：  你有什么建议，如何最好地使用这些钥匙？

Cobra: If you go through the workshop notes of Bora Bora workshop, you will see we did many meditations using those keys and you can go through that and there are many guidelines how to use those.

柯博拉：  如果你翻阅博拉博拉工作坊的工作说明，你会发现我们用这些按键做了很多冥想，你可以去看，里面有很多使用指南。

Debra: Okay, thank you. How will the New Earth key and New Heaven key be impacting the big movements in July? Will they strengthen this Ascension Portal opening, for example? And what other effects will these keys have on us during the next few months?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。新地球钥匙和新天堂钥匙将如何影响七月的重大运动？比如说，他们会加强这个扬升传送门开启吗？这些钥匙在接下来的几个月里还会对我们产生什么影响？

Cobra: Basically, both of those keys will be the main energies that will be interplaying during this process in July. So New Heaven key will be getting stronger and New Earth key will be getting stronger, and they will be interacting with each other and strengthening each other, and they will be working in resonance with the three outer planets of the solar system. And the combination of all that is the energy signature of this activation on July 25th.

柯博拉：  基本上，这两个关键将在七月的过程中主要相互作用。所以新天堂之钥和新地球之钥会变得更强，它们会相互互动、互相强化，并且会与太阳系的三颗外行星共振共振。所有这些结合起来，就是 7 月 25 日这次启动的能量特征。

Debra: Okay, thank you. What's the connection between the Key of New Earth and Bubbles of Heaven, and what about the difference between Bubbles of Heaven and the new paradise energy you recently spoke about?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。新地之钥和天堂气泡之间有什么联系？天堂之泡和你最近提到的新天堂能量有什么区别？

Cobra: I would say Bubbles of Heaven are the early manifestation of a New Heaven key that is connected to the New Earth. This was attempted in 2019. It failed because the surface population was not ready. It was not able to anchor those energies, and now this will be anchored in a different way. So Bubbles of Heaven will be manifested a little bit differently than it was originally planned. It will be a different approach to the same situation, I would say.

柯博拉：  我认为天堂泡泡是与新地球相连的新天堂钥匙的早期显现。该项目曾于 2019 年尝试。但失败是因为地面人口尚未准备好。它无法锚定这些能量，现在将以另一种方式锚定。所以天堂泡泡的显现方式会和最初计划略有不同。我认为，这会是对同一情况的不同处理方式。

Debra: Can we consciously create Bubbles of Heaven in our life by combining New Heaven and New Earth keys energy? And if so, how should we do that?

黛布拉：  我们能否通过结合新天堂和新地球钥匙的能量，有意识地在生活中创造天堂泡泡？如果是这样，我们该如何做到这一点？

Cobra: Yes, we can do that by meditating and connecting those two energies in the same way as we will do at the moment of our peak activation on July 25th.

柯博拉：  是的，我们可以通过冥想并连接这两种能量，就像我们在 7 月 25 日高峰启动时那样实现这一点。

Debra: Okay. So you've stated that opal is the stone that activates and anchors the energies of New Heaven and that it is like a liquid crystal, not fully crystallized, that it is frozen liquid Light, which sounds pretty cool. How is it that it can be frozen liquid Light and what is its relationship to solar flares? Can you speak more about this special stone?

黛布拉：  好的。所以你说蛋白石是启动并锚定新天堂能量的宝石，它像液晶，不是完全结晶的，是冻成液体的光，听起来很酷。它怎么会是冻结的液态光？它与太阳耀斑有什么关系？你能多谈谈这块特殊的宝石吗？

Cobra: Okay. Strictly from a physical perspective, it is something very similar to a liquid crystal. Etherically speaking, the atomic structure of opal holds non-physical Light and opals were created in past solar flashes. When the sun went micronova, there was a strong, I would say, explosion of particles that reached the surface of the planet, penetrated underground in something that was similar to lightning and have changed the atomic structure of the rock which was existing there. And opals hold the energy signature of those past solar flashes. So this is a very special stone indeed.

柯博拉：  好的。从物理角度看，它与液晶非常相似。从以太角度看，蛋白石的原子结构含有非物质光，蛋白石是在过去太阳闪光中产生的。当太阳变成微新星时，发生了一次强烈的，我认为是粒子爆炸，这些粒子到达了行星表面，穿透到地下，形成类似闪电的现象，改变了那里岩石的原子结构。蛋白石则保留了过去太阳闪光的能量特征。所以这确实是一块非常特别的石头。

Debra: It sounds like it. So while opals anchor the energy of the New Heaven, emeralds anchor the energy of the New Earth and they can be used to connect to the Agarthan network during meditation. Can we visualize an opal becoming a portal that leads us to heaven or angelic cosmic beings in meditations?

黛布拉：  听起来确实如此。因此，蛋白石锚定新天堂的能量，祖母绿则锚定新地球的能量，它们可以在冥想时连接阿加森网络。我们能否想象蛋白石成为通往天堂的门户，或在冥想中看到天使般的宇宙存在？

Cobra: Yes, exactly. This is the purpose of the opal.

柯博拉：  是的，完全正确。这就是蛋白石的目的。

Debra: Beautiful. What about consciously creating Bubbles of Heaven in our daily lives by using opals and emeralds together?

黛布拉：  漂亮。那么，在日常生活中有意识地用蛋白石和祖母绿一起创造天堂泡泡呢？

Cobra: Yes, this can be very effective.

柯博拉：  是的，这非常有效。

Debra: Okay, thank you. Now that the emerald flame has become available for the surface population since last year, will we be using an opal flame or ray in the near future? And if so, what are the characteristics of it?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。既然祖母绿火焰自去年起已对地表人口开放，我们近期会使用蛋白石火焰或射线吗？如果有，它有哪些特征？

Cobra: This might be possible at a certain point, but we are not there yet.

柯博拉：  这在某个阶段可能实现，但我们还没到那一步。

Debra: Okay. Over the last three years, Lightworkers have carried out many projects related to the planetary Light grid, such as the Goddess Equator, global Dragon ley lines, New Renaissance, Wesak, Emerald Light, Knights Templar, and the Golden Timeline. How can Lightworkers use the Key of the New Heaven now to consolidate and even enhance the results of these projects?

黛布拉：  好的。在过去三年里，光之工者们开展了许多与行星光线网格相关的项目，如女神赤道、全球龙脉、新文艺复兴、韦萨克、祖母绿之光、圣殿骑士团和黄金时间线。光之工作者现在如何利用新天堂之钥来巩固甚至提升这些项目的成果？

Cobra: They can visualize the images of New Heaven being anchored in all those places where the past grid work was done.

柯博拉：  他们可以想象新天堂的影像被锚定在那些过去网格工作的地方。

Debra: Okay. At the Australia workshop, you mentioned that the Key of New Earth is meant to create the Lemurian paradise. Many people are still unfamiliar with Lemuria. Would you please describe the history, geographical location, and its relationship with the Atlantean civilization?

黛布拉：  好的。在澳大利亚的工作坊上，你提到新地球之钥旨在创造利莫里安的天堂。许多人仍然不熟悉勒穆里亚。请您描述一下历史、地理位置以及它与亚特兰蒂斯文明的关系？

Cobra: Lemuria was located in the Pacific Ocean and it was a civilization that existed before Atlantis. It was basically a civilization of paradise when many cosmic beings landed in their spaceships on Earth and were guiding humanity in perfect harmony. So this is like the paradise which most people remember and it will be recreated again on the next level.

柯博拉：  利莫里亚位于太平洋，是一个存在于亚特兰蒂斯之前的文明。当许多宇宙生物乘坐飞船降落地球，完美和谐地引导人类时，这里基本上是一个天堂文明。所以这里就像大多数人记忆中的天堂，它将在下一层再次被重现。

Debra: Beautiful. Since there's an old equator from the Atlantean era, is there also an old equator from the Lemurian era?

黛布拉：  漂亮。既然亚特兰蒂斯时代有一条古老的赤道，那么利莫里亚时代的赤道也存在吗？

Cobra: There are many because there were many polar shifts in that timeframe.

柯博拉：  之所以有很多，因为那段时间经历了许多极地转变。

Debra: Okay. Would it be beneficial to bury tachyonized opals along this equator or in those areas, I'm sure?

黛布拉：  好的。我相信，把超光速化蛋白石埋在这个赤道或那些区域会有益吗？

Cobra: I would simplify this and say for this purpose, it is most beneficial to bury opals in the Pacific region, all countries that border the Pacific Ocean and especially the Pacific Islands.

柯博拉：  我想简化说法，为此目的，最好将蛋白石埋藏在太平洋地区，所有靠近太平洋的国家，尤其是太平洋岛屿。

Debra: Okay, great. Master Saint Germain is in charge of Project New Atlantis in the Atlantic region. Which Ascended Being is in charge of supervising the New Earth project in the Pacific region?

黛布拉：  好的，太好了。圣日耳曼大师负责大西洋地区的新亚特兰蒂斯计划。哪位扬升者负责监督太平洋地区新地球项目？

Cobra: There is a being which is called Ramu and he's overseer of that project.

柯博拉：  有一个叫拉姆的存在，他是那个项目的监督者。

Debra: Would you spell that please?

黛布拉：  能拼写一下吗？

Cobra: R-A-M-U.

柯博拉： R-A-M-U。

Debra: Okay, thank you. In the instructions for the 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation Part 2 meditation, we are to visualize a wave of opalescent blue light of the New Heaven descending from the sky into our heart chakra, all cosmic beings of light supporting this process. Then we visualize a wave of emerald green light of the New Earth ascending from the Earth into our heart chakra, with all subterranean beings of light supporting this process. Then we visualize both energies merging in our heart chakra and creating a field of opalescent blue-green energy of paradise around us. Would you discuss the meaning and power of this opalescent blue-green energy of paradise?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。在 12：21 扬升门户启动第二部分冥想的说明中，我们要想象新天堂的乳白色蓝色光波从天空降临我们的心轮，所有宇宙光明存在都支持这一过程。然后我们想象一波祖母绿的新地球光从地球升入我们的心轮，所有地下光明生命都支持这一过程。然后我们想象这两种能量在心轮中融合，形成一片乳白色的蓝绿色能量场，宛如天堂。你能谈谈这种乳白色蓝绿色的天堂能量的意义和力量吗？

Cobra: That energy is the energy of the 12th Ray. This is the energy which will anchor the perfect archetype for our future. This is like the best possible, super golden, the best possible timeline for the planet. It is, I would say, the most possible positive energy.

柯博拉：  那股能量就是第十二射线的能量。这正是为我们未来奠定完美原型的能量。这简直是地球上最美好、最美好、最美好的时间线。我认为，这是最正面的能量。

Debra: Beautiful. Is this Light from above and Light from below meeting on the surface symbolic of how you've described Compression Breakthrough? And if so, how much closer will it bring us to Compression Breakthrough?

黛布拉：  漂亮。这“来自上方的光”和“来自下方的光”在表面相遇，是否象征着你描述的《压缩突破》？如果是这样，它会让我们离《压缩突破》更近多少？

Cobra: I would say this is the initial phase of the Compression Breakthrough itself. So it is, I would say, a very advanced preparatory stage of the Compression Breakthrough.

柯博拉：  我认为这就是压缩突破的初始阶段。所以我认为，这是压缩突破的一个非常先进的准备阶段。

Debra: Okay, great. This opalescent blue-green color feels like such a beautiful, magical color. Is this why some people are so passionately drawn to natural, clear sparkling turquoise water and the beaches that meet this water, found in places like Bora Bora? I mean, most people think this is nice, but I'm talking about the people that seem obsessed with this gift from nature. Could this be a knowing or even a memory of living during the times of Lemuria?

黛布拉：  好的，太好了。这种乳白色的蓝绿色感觉如此美丽、神奇。这是否也是为什么有些人如此热衷于自然、清澈闪亮的碧绿色海水以及与这水相接的海滩，比如波拉波拉？我的意思是，大多数人觉得这很好，但我说的是那些似乎痴迷于大自然馈赠的人。这会不会是对列穆里亚时代生活的一种认知，甚至是记忆？

Cobra: This is a knowing, a memory, and a vision for the future. And of course people are drawn to this because this is the most possible positive energy and people are naturally drawn to this.

柯博拉：  这是一种认知，一种记忆，也是对未来的愿景。当然，人们被吸引，因为这是最可能的正能量，人们自然而然地被吸引。

Debra: Okay, great. Is it likely that Lightworkers intuitively drawn to this could reside someday in an Island of Light in some of these areas?

黛布拉：  好的，太好了。有没有可能，那些直觉上被光之人吸引的光之人，有一天会在这些地区的光之岛上居住？

Cobra: Yes, of course that is possible.

柯博拉：  是的，当然有可能。

 

THE EVENT, ISLANDS OF LIGHT, AND ASCENSION

Debra: Very good. So in terms of asking what the current timeframe is for when Islands of Light will be formed, I'd like to speak a little bit about the Event and Ascension because there is a burning question that everyone has. In your announcement about the 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation Part 2, you mentioned that one aspect of this process will be an update and upgrade of the Event and Ascension plan for this planet. And we would definitely like to hear more about this. Would you please share specifically as much as you can what those updates and upgrades are?

黛布拉：  非常好。所以，关于光之岛目前的成立时间框架，我想谈谈事件和扬升，因为每个人都有一个燃眉之急的问题。在你关于 12：21 扬升传送门启动第二部分的公告中提到，这个过程的一个方面将是对该星球的事件和扬升计划进行更新和升级。我们也非常想听到更多关于这方面的内容。请您尽可能具体地分享这些更新和升级内容。

Cobra: I don't know what this update will be. Actually, nobody knows. It will be something new. The only thing that is known is that it will come on July 25th. There will be an upgrade, an update, an improvement of the plan. But the thing is, the closer we get to the Event, the less intel can be publicly released because obviously this is the end game and I would not want to give any intel to dark forces about what the plans of the Light Forces are, what exactly they will do, how we'll do it, and when they will.

柯博拉：  我不知道这次更新会是什么。其实没人知道。这将是全新的体验。目前唯一已知的是，它将在 7 月 25 日发布。计划会有升级、更新和改进。但问题是，越接近事件，公开的情报就越少，因为显然这是终局，我不想向黑暗势力透露光明势力的计划、他们具体会做什么、我们会怎么做、什么时候会做。

Debra: Sure, that makes sense. Do you feel like maybe some additional information might be able to be released after July 25th?

黛布拉：  当然，这说得通。你觉得 7 月 25 日之后会不会有更多信息被公布？

Cobra: It's possible.

柯博拉：  有可能。

Debra: Okay. To what extent does reaching critical mass during this portal activation affect these upgrades and updates?

黛布拉：  好的。在这次门户启动时达到临界质量，会在多大程度上影响这些升级和更新？

Cobra: It can affect them because there were situations in the past when critical mass was reached and some upgrades happened that otherwise would not.

柯博拉：  它会影响它们，因为过去确实有临界点时，有些升级发生了，否则不会。

Debra: Okay. I have to ask you, how much closer will this activation move us toward the Event? Is it possible that it could even trigger it?

黛布拉：  好的。我得问你，这次启动会让我们离事件更近一步？它有可能触发它吗？

Cobra: I don't see the Event being possible at that moment, but I would say that if this activation is successful, it can bring the Event months closer than would otherwise be possible. So it can reduce the waiting time for a few months at least.

柯博拉：  我认为当时事件不可能实现，但我认为如果这次启动成功，事件的时间可以比以往更接近几个月。所以至少可以缩短几个月的等待时间。

Debra: Okay. Would you care to share with us your prediction on a possible timeframe?

黛布拉：  好的。您愿意与我们分享您对可能时间表的预测吗？

Cobra: No. I will never do that again. I will never do that again. People get disappointed. I'm not God. I don't know everything. Nobody does and people get disappointed and they many times misinterpret and misuse my words even. So I don't want to talk about any of those predictions anymore.

柯博拉：  不。我再也不会那样做了。我再也不会那样做了。人们会失望。我不是上帝。我并不全都知道。没人知道，人们会失望，很多时候甚至误解和误用我的话。所以我不想再谈论那些预测了。

Debra: I understand. I had a feeling you were going to say that. I just had so many people ask me if I would ask you, so I had to. All right. Let me ask you something else. You've suggested we study the manifestation teachings of Kevin Trudeau. In an interview on his YouTube channel, he mentioned that what you desire most often appears when you least expect it. Now you've stressed the importance of working on the Golden Timeline. So if Lightworkers work on actively manifesting their personal Golden Timeline, improving their lives materially and spiritually, meanwhile treating the Event as an extra bonus in life, how will this mindset actually accelerate the manifestation of the Event?

黛布拉：  我明白。我就知道你会这么说。只是有太多人问我愿不愿意邀请你，所以我不得不去问。好吧。让我再问你一个问题。你建议我们研究凯文·特鲁多的显化教导。在他 YouTube 频道的一次采访中，他提到你最渴望的东西往往在你最意想不到的时候出现。你强调了制作黄金时间线的重要性。那么，如果光之工作者积极显化他们个人的黄金时间线，改善物质和精神上的生活，同时把事件视为生命中的额外奖励，这种心态如何加速事件的显化呢？

Cobra: The main thing is if people manifest their Golden Timeline, this is the best approach towards the Event because then they will be less stressed, they will be more balanced, and this is exactly the energy which is needed for the Event to happen.

柯博拉：  最重要的是，如果人们显化了他们的黄金时间线，这是对事件的最佳方式，因为这样他们会减轻压力，更加平衡，而这正是事件发生所需的能量。

Debra: Okay, that makes sense. You've mentioned a time portal in which through a revised time loop, events in the future can influence the past. Would you elaborate more about this portal as well as what the relationship is to this emphasis you've given us to create a Golden Timeline for ourselves and the planet?

黛布拉：  好吧，这说得通。你提到了一个时间门户，通过修订后的时间循环，未来的事件可以影响过去。你能详细说明这个门户吗？以及它与你赋予我们为自己和地球创造黄金时间线的重点之间的关系？

Cobra: Okay. I don't think it's time yet to talk about this in detail, but I would just say if you are manifesting your Golden Timeline, there is a moment in the future when that timeline is already manifested and that the future is sending a signal to your present self, but there is much more to this I'm not allowed to talk about yet.

柯博拉：  好的。我觉得现在还不是详细讨论的时候，但我只想说，如果你正在显化你的黄金时间线，未来某个时刻那个时间线已经显化，未来正在向你现在的自己发出信号，但还有很多内容我还不能透露。

Debra: Okay. Might this upcoming Ascension Portal Activation intensify some of the transmissions, these signals from the future to create a more positive timeline?

黛布拉：  好的。即将到来的扬升门户启动是否会加强一些传输，这些来自未来的信号，从而创造一个更正面的时间线？

Cobra: It's possible.

柯博拉：  有可能。

Debra: Okay. Well, yeah, I was going to ask if we could activate this time portal with our intention, allowing our Ascended selves to travel back for assistance, but you're saying it's potentially too soon to discuss this?

黛布拉：  好的。嗯，是的，我本来想问我们是否能启动这个时间传送门，让我们的扬升者回去寻求帮助，但你是说现在讨论可能还为时过早？

Cobra: Yes, it's too soon.

柯博拉：  是的，现在还太早了。

Debra: Okay, thank you. Would you please share any updates regarding First Contact, both on a physical level and the non-physical level?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。请您分享一下关于《首次接触》的最新情况，无论是物理层面还是非物理层面？

Cobra: I would say that the positive extraterrestrial races are finally getting excited about this. It is getting closer. They are preparing for this, and before the First Contact happens, there will be a certain disclosure process which is already underway.

柯博拉：  我认为正面的外星种族终于开始对此感到兴奋。它越来越近了。他们正在为此做准备，在首次接触发生之前，已经有一个特定的披露程序正在进行中。

Debra: Yes, we can tell. I was going to ask you about that shortly anyway. Is it still the plan by the Pleiadians to contact individuals to go to the mass media and create a critical mass for First Contact? And will these still only be those people who own private land and participate in Contact Dish or might others be contacted?

黛布拉：  是的，我们能看出来。我本来也打算很快问你这事。昴宿星人是否仍计划联系个人，通过大众媒体制造首次接触的临界规模？这些人是否仍仅限于拥有私人土地并参与接触的人，还是会有其他人被联系？

Cobra: So now there will not only be Pleiadians, there will be other races that will contact individuals that will go to the mass media, and the Contact Dish project is just one of the projects that is part of this First Contact process.

柯博拉：  所以现在不仅会有昴宿星人，还会有其他种族联系个人，这些人会被传达给大众媒体，而接触项目只是首次接触过程中的一个项目。

Debra: Okay. So you're saying there is potential that others may be contacted even if they…?

黛布拉：  好的。所以你的意思是，即使他们......，其他人也有可能被联系？

Cobra: Yes.

柯博拉：  是的。

Debra: Okay, thank you. There are a few questions about life after the Event. What's approximately the timeframe to integrate advanced technology into the general public after the Event?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。关于事件之后的生活，有一些问题。事件结束后，先进技术普及到公众中大概需要多长时间？

Cobra: I would say a few years.

柯博拉：  我觉得大概几年。

Debra: Okay. Would you please describe these things that we'll have access to once we gain this official access so that we can incorporate these images and ideas into our personal Golden Timeline meditation?

黛布拉：  好的。请您描述一下我们获得正式访问权限后将能接触到的这些内容，以便将这些图像和理念融入我们的个人黄金时间线冥想中。

Cobra: Okay. The most important one of course will be med beds, which will address the health situation of the surface population. There will be replicators. Those two are the main technologies that will be present.

柯博拉：  好的。最重要的当然是医疗床，这将解决地面人口的健康状况。会有复制器。这两项是主要的技术。

Debra: Yeah, absolutely. Those I know everyone is looking forward to. Can we get an update on the med bed situation? I was going to ask you, there's a Telegram channel run by someone named Mr. Pool who continually releases information about med beds and he recently stated that actual med beds were moved from an underground facility to a location in the United States where some people are actually using them and receiving healing from them. Can you tell us anything about this?

黛布拉：  是的，绝对是。我知道大家都很期待这些。我们能更新一下医疗床的情况吗？我正想问你，有一个由叫 Pool 先生的人运营的 Telegram 频道，他不断发布关于医疗床的信息，他最近说真正的医疗床从地下设施搬到了美国的一个地方，那里有人真正使用并从中获得治疗。你能告诉我们这方面的情况吗？

Cobra: Okay. Mr. Pool has, I would say some limited access to some intel about the actual process of what's happening with med beds, but not all of this is reliable. So I would say there are certain rumors which are trickling about the whole process. There is much more to it, but he's an indicator of how things are progressing to a degree.

柯博拉：  好的。我认为普尔先生对医疗床实际流程的情报有一定程度的了解，但并非所有信息都可靠。所以我会说，关于整个过程有一些传言。事情远不止于此，但他在某种程度上反映了事情的发展方向。

Debra: Okay. How far away are med beds from being turned over to the general population? Is that still an "after the Event" thing?

黛布拉：  好的。医疗床位距离交给普通人群还有多远？这还算是“事件之后”的事吗？

Cobra: It needs to be safe and it's not safe if the cabal is in power. So it needs to be safe enough for people who are being healed not to be killed after the healing process is completed.

柯博拉：  必须安全，而如果阴谋集团掌权，就不安全。所以必须足够安全，让正在治疗的人在治疗过程结束后不会被杀害。

Debra: That makes sense. So if they're not available until later or after the Event, might it be possible that certain individuals could be teleported to a healing ship to use a med bed?

黛布拉：  这说得通。所以如果他们要到事件后才开放，是否有可能某些人被传送到治疗飞船上使用医疗床？

Cobra: That's even less likely. What is likely, and it will become likely quite soon, is that people will be teleported in their dreams without a physical body in their astral body. They will receive healing in their astral body or even etheric body on the ship and then taken back to their bed, physical one. That's something that will start happening quite soon. Actually, it is already happening in certain circumstances. Certain people have been taken underground to healing chambers in their sleep and receive healing. This is already happening to a degree.

柯博拉：  这更不可能。很可能，而且很快会变得很可能，是人们在梦中被瞬移，而他们的星体身体中没有实体身体。他们会在星体或甚至以太身体上接受治疗，然后回到身体的床上。这很快就会开始发生。实际上，在某些情况下，这种情况已经在发生了。有些人在睡梦中被带到地下的治疗室接受治疗。这种情况在某种程度上已经在发生。

Debra: Would you suggest if this is something that someone would like to experience, might we set an intention before going to sleep that we experience this? (Yes) Okay, very good. Good to know. So once the med beds do become available, there's likely to be a huge rush for them. How will the order be determined for who gets an appointment? Will genuine voluntary commitment to the greater good play a role, or will it be based on one's own level of spiritual development, or the current state of one's health?

黛布拉：  你会建议如果这是某人想要体验的事情，我们是否可以在睡觉前设定一个意图去体验它？（ 是的 ）好的，非常好。知道了。所以一旦医疗床出来，可能会有大量抢购。谁能获得预约的顺序将如何确定？真正的自愿承诺会起作用吗？还是基于个人的精神发展水平，或当前的健康状况？

Cobra: It will be a combination of various factors. The first one will be simply a distribution chain. So there will be certain locations where it'll be easier to deploy the med beds and of course there will be urgent cases that will be treated first and then there will be various criteria who will be treated first, who will be treated second. But I would say it is a complex process. It is the same if you are admitted into a hospital, there is a certain procedure how you are accepted, where you go. So it will be similar to that.

柯博拉：  这将是多种因素的综合作用。第一个只是一个分销链。因此，在某些地区，医疗床的部署会更为方便，当然也会有紧急病例会先治疗，然后会有各种标准，谁先治疗，谁会被治疗。但我认为这是一个复杂的过程。如果你被送进医院，也有特定的程序，比如如何被接受，去哪里。所以情况会类似。

Debra: Okay. So will these med beds be in hospitals or will there be specific purpose-built buildings? And will medical staff be deployed there or will people need to undergo a special training? Or maybe at that point the Light Forces will be here operating them?

黛布拉：  好的。那么这些医疗床会在医院里，还是会有专门建造的建筑？医护人员会被派驻在那里吗，还是需要接受特殊培训？或者那时光明势力会在这里操作它们？

Cobra: Again, it will be a combination of all those. There will be certain med beds that will go to hospitals. There will be some that will be deployed to private buildings. There will be certain buildings built. So whatever needs to happen in the fastest and most effective way, people will undergo training. There will be some training necessary, but it will not be too complex because those machines are quite advanced. They don't need a lot of handling, so it will be quite easy to train people, to train the personnel to handle those machines. And at some point the Light Forces will be present directly, but not in the initial phase.

柯博拉：  同样，这也是所有这些因素的结合。会有一些医疗床位会分配给医院。有些会部署到私人建筑。会有一些建筑被建造。所以无论需要以最快、最有效的方式发生，人们都会接受培训。虽然需要一些培训，但不会太复杂，因为这些机器相当先进。它们不需要太多操作，所以培训人员操作这些机器会非常容易。而且在某个时刻，光明势力会直接出现，但不会在初始阶段出现。

Debra: Okay. We hear various descriptions of these med beds. Apparently some are like capsules that you lie down in for a while, while others are like a tank filled with a kind of viscous liquid that you have to breathe in. Could you share information on the med beds that we can use in the future, like how they work and also what effect they have -  physically heal, age reverse, detox?

黛布拉：  好的。我们听到各种关于这些医疗床的描述。据说有些像胶囊，可以躺一会儿，而另一些则像装满粘稠液体的罐子，必须吸入。你能分享一下我们未来可以使用的医疗床的信息吗？比如它们的工作原理，以及它们有什么影响—— 身体愈合、逆转衰老、排毒？

Cobra: Most of the med beds that will be introduced will be like capsules that you lay down and they will have various effects. Of course, what needs to happen is detox first, then there will be some physical healing. And the more advanced models of the med beds will just reshuffle the atomic structure of the physical body. So they will be able to heal basically everything.

柯博拉：  大多数即将推出的医疗床会像胶囊一样，你会躺下，会产生不同的效果。当然，首先需要做的是排毒，然后才会有一些身体上的康复。而更先进的医疗床型号则只是重新调整身体的原子结构。所以他们基本上能治愈所有伤口。

Debra: Okay, great. What about mental and emotional issues, which often have their roots in physical imbalance? Will they be able to be treated as well?

黛布拉：  好的，太好了。心理和情感问题呢？这些问题往往根源于身体失衡？他们也能接受治疗吗？

Cobra: To a certain degree, yes. So what will be able to be done is the removal of parasites, entities, and certain negative emotions, certain negative attachments, certain mental problems. But for emotional and mental healing, a lot more of conscious participation will be necessary.

柯博拉：  在某种程度上，是的。所以能够做的是移除寄生虫、实体，以及某些负面情绪、某些负面依附、某些心理问题。但要进行情感和心理疗愈，需要更多的有意识参与。

Debra: Yeah, I was just thinking that; that it's likely up to the individual working with their own consciousness to evolve in that way. So until we have access to med beds, what technology or protocols might we use to assist in physical healing?

黛布拉：  是的，我刚才也在想这个;那很可能取决于个体与自身意识共事，从而以这种方式进化。那么在我们还没能使用医疗床之前，可以用什么技术或方案来辅助身体康复？

Cobra: Manifesting Golden Timeline, visualize perfect health, visualize healing, visualize…there are many techniques you can use. One of them is Reality Stacking, which I have introduced in one of the workshops, you can use that to make your health each day 1% better. This is one of the approaches that's possible.

柯博拉：  显化黄金时间线，想象完美的健康，想象康复，想象......你可以用很多技巧。其中之一是现实叠加，我在一个工作坊中介绍过，你可以用它每天让健康提升 1%。这是可行的一种方法。

Debra: Okay, very good. Thank you. I know you mentioned earlier that you really can't say too much right now about any updates about the Ascension Plan. I'm just wondering, is there anything you can share with us? Is there still expecting to be three waves of Ascension?

黛布拉：  好的，非常好。谢谢。我知道你之前提到过，现在真的不能透露太多关于扬升计划的任何更新。我只是想知道，你有什么可以和我们分享的吗？还期待有三波扬升吗？

Cobra: Yes. The basic plan remains the same. The upgrades will be more operational, like immediate phases, which are the most critical ones at this point.

柯博拉：  是的。基本计划保持不变。升级将更具操作性，比如即时阶段，这目前是最关键的阶段。

Debra: Right. Well, I was going to ask you, at what point might we expect Ascension to begin?

黛布拉： 嗯，我正想问你，我们预计《扬升》会在什么时候开始？

Cobra: So after the Event, there will be, like I would say, the group that will be training for the first wave, they will go through a certain purification process and that will most likely take a few years. So they will be ready at that point and then they will go.

柯博拉：  所以事件之后，我会说，第一波训练的队伍会经历某种净化过程，这很可能需要几年时间。所以他们会准备好，然后就会出发。

Debra: People are wondering, will there be a time in between the Event and Ascension for humanity to actually enjoy their lives in 3D without all the darkness, which has made our lives so difficult?

黛布拉：  人们在想，在事件和扬升之间，是否有一天人类能真正享受没有黑暗的 3D 生活，而黑暗让我们的生活变得如此艰难？

Cobra: Yes, this is the plan because many people have many dreams they would like to manifest. In the physical world, they would like to experience the joy of positive creation and this is part of the plan.

柯博拉：  是的，这就是计划，因为许多人有许多梦想想要实现。在物质世界中，他们希望体验积极创造的喜悦，这也是计划的一部分。

Debra: Okay, great. What's the current plan for where the first Island of Light will be, and how many subsequent locations will there be and where?

黛布拉：  好的，太好了。目前关于第一个光之岛的具体地点计划是什么？之后会有多少个地点，在哪里？

Cobra: The first Islands of Light will be in physically beautiful locations with as pure energy as possible. So the first initial wave of Islands of Light will be just a few locations and then this will be tested and then it will expand.

柯博拉：  第一批光之岛将设在物理优美且能量尽可能纯净的地点。所以光之岛最初的一波会只有几个地点，然后会经过测试，接着会扩展。

Debra: Can you share where those locations are?

黛布拉：  能告诉我这些地点在哪里吗？

Cobra: I will just share one of them and this is Bora Bora. This is one of the first locations that was chosen.

柯博拉：  我只分享其中一个，那就是波拉波拉。这是最早被选定的地点之一。

Debra: Okay, beautiful. And these locations are chosen because they're just kind of pure in energy, or why these locations?

黛布拉：  好了，漂亮。这些地点之所以被选中，是因为它们的能量比较纯净，或者为什么是这些地方？

Cobra: As I have said, they need to be as pure as possible energetically and they need to be physically beautiful. So it needs to be the most possible perfect manifestation of Light on the physical plane.

柯博拉：  正如我所说，他们需要在能量上尽可能纯净，并且在外貌上要美丽。所以它必须是光在物质层面上最完美的显现。

Debra: That sounds lovely. How soon after the Event might we expect Islands of Light to start forming? And what is the criteria for being able to live in one of these first Islands of Light?

黛布拉：  听起来真不错。事件发生后多久，我们预计光之岛会开始形成？那么，能够生活在这些最早的光之岛之一的标准是什么？

Cobra: The formation process will start in, I would say, a few weeks to a few months after the Event. And people who are really able to really follow the instructions for transformation and go beyond the programming that exists here on the surface of this planet, those are the people who will be, I would say, invited or that will participate.

柯博拉：  我认为，组建过程将在事件后几周到几个月内开始。那些真正能够遵循转变指引，超越地球表面现有项目的人，我会说，这些人会被邀请或参与其中。

Debra: Now, when you say instructions, these will be given to people. Will it be like a test?

黛布拉：  现在，当你说指令时，这些会被发给人们。会像考试一样吗？

Cobra: They will be given to people by the Light Forces. Yes, and there will be tests. People will be tested. It will not be a very hard test, but there will be tests because people need to be ready for this.

柯博拉：  它们将由光明势力赠予人们。是的，而且会有测试。人们将接受检测。这不会是个非常难的考试，但会有测试，因为人们需要为此做好准备。 

Debra: Do you have any tips on how people might get ready for that?

黛布拉：  你有什么建议，大家该如何准备吗？

Cobra: No, no. I would not go there.

柯博拉：  不，不。我不会。

 

PLANETARY SITUATION  

Debra: You use your own guidance, right? (Yeah). Okay. So I know it's fun to talk about life after the Event, but we do need to come back to reality a little bit and talk about the current planetary situation. Would you give us an update on the current status of the lurker, like how much is remaining, how much of the subquantum anomaly has been cleared?

黛布拉：  你用自己的指导，对吧？（ 是的 ）。好的。所以我知道谈论事件之后的生活很有趣，但我们确实需要回到现实，谈谈当前的行星形势。你能给我们更新一下潜伏者的现状吗？比如剩余多少，亚量子异常已经清除多少？

Cobra: Okay. I would say a lot has been cleared, but there is still more to go. So what is the problem is the innermost layer, the surface 30 meters on the physical and non-physical planes. So that's a big problem, because this place has been in darkness for the last 25,000 years and this takes time to clear. So there is progress. There is, I would say, even significant progress, but we are not there yet.

柯博拉：  好的。我觉得很多问题已经清理干净，但还有更多要做。那么问题出在最内层，即物理和非物理平面上 30 米的表面。这是个大问题，因为这里已经黑暗了 25,000 年，需要时间才能清除。所以确实有进展。我认为，确实有显著进展，但我们还没有达到那个阶段。 

Debra: Okay. So there are still negative entities left on the astral and non-physical planes.

黛布拉：  好的。所以在星界和非物质层面上，仍有负面实体存在。

Cobra: Unfortunately, yes. There are far less than there were even a year ago, but they are still there.

柯博拉：  不幸的是，是的。比一年前少得多，但依然存在。

Debra: Will the July activation help to clear some of this?

黛布拉： 7 月的启动会有助于澄清部分问题吗？

Cobra: Oh, yes. It will clear a lot of this.

柯博拉：  哦，是的。这会清除很多问题。

Debra: Very good. So after last year's activation, you mentioned that one of the key negative things left was on the physical surface and a lot of that involved the negative technologies such as HAARP, directed energy weapons, electromagnetic and infrasound disturbances. Have they been reduced since then at all and are they still a significant concern?

黛布拉：  非常好。去年启动后，你提到一个关键的负面因素是物理表面，其中很大一部分涉及负面技术，比如HAARP，定向能武器、电磁和次声扰动。自那以后这些问题有减少吗？它们仍然是个重要问题吗？

Cobra: I would say this was reduced at least by 50% within the last year.

柯博拉：  我认为在过去一年内，这种情况至少减少了 50%。

Debra: Oh, very good. Can you tell us what it feels like physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually to be attacked by a directed energy weapon?

黛布拉：  哦，非常好。你能告诉我们被定向能量武器攻击时，身体、心理、情感和精神上的感受如何？

Cobra: Okay. You don't want to know. It's like being cooked in a microwave. This is one possible description. This is one possible symptom of being attacked.

柯博拉：  好的。你不想知道。就像在微波炉里烹饪一样。这就是一种可能的描述。这是被攻击的一个可能症状。

Debra: Oh my goodness. Are there degrees ... like some are very, very bad and some are just kind of slight? (Yes). Why are some Lightworkers attacked more than others? And is there anything we can do to protect ourselves against these?

黛布拉：  天哪。有没有......比如有些非常非常糟糕，有些则只是轻微？（ 是的 ）。为什么有些光之工作者比其他的更容易被攻击？我们有什么办法可以保护自己免受这些影响吗？

Cobra: People who are, I would say, key people for the plan, these are the people who are being attacked and the most important protection is connection with the Higher Self. That's number one.

柯博拉：  我认为，这些人是计划的关键人物，他们才是被攻击的人，而最重要的保护是与更高自我的连接。这是第一点。

Debra: Okay, great. We're going to talk about that shortly too, about connecting with your Higher Self. But I'd like to ask you a question that a lot of people have been curious about. What's your insight regarding the death of David Wilcock? Whatever one's opinion of him may be, he definitely played a significant role in humanity's awakening and there are many theories surrounding his death. Would you share your perspective with us about what happened? Was he affected by negative entities?

黛布拉：  好的，太好了。我们很快也会谈谈如何与你的更高自我连接。但我想问你一个很多人都很好奇的问题。你对大卫·威尔科克之死有什么看法？无论人们对他的看法如何，他无疑在人类觉醒中扮演了重要角色，关于他的死有许多理论。你能和我们分享一下你对发生的事情的看法吗？他被负面实体影响了吗？

Cobra: It was a suicide. Basically, people do not understand that the life of somebody who is, I would say one of the main influencers or any of the main influencers in this spiritual scene on the planet, this is not an easy life. It's very demanding, very challenging. There are a lot of attacks. He was being attacked by entities. He was being attacked by scalar technology, but ultimately it was his choice to leave the physical plane.

柯博拉：  是自杀。基本上，人们不理解，我认为是这个灵性圈子中主要影响者之一，或者说任何主要影响者的生活都不容易。这非常有挑战性，非常有挑战性。攻击次数很多。他正被实体攻击。他正遭受标量技术的攻击，但最终离开物质界是他的选择。

Debra: Yeah, it can be tough here. You mentioned earlier about the disclosure process. It just seems like it's definitely increasing daily. So if you could give us an update on that, what's going on, and wondering if it's prompted by the White Hats?

黛布拉：  是的，这里确实很难。你之前提到了披露流程。感觉每天都在增加。如果你能给我们更新一下情况，发生了什么？想知道这是不是白帽子组织的推动？

Cobra: This is the first result of the infiltration of the positive Andromedans and Aldebarans within the Trump administration. There are some people who are not of a human origin who are basically part of the Andromedan and Aldebaran team who are within the administration and they're engineering this. So it is happening because, I would say, the deep state cannot stop this anymore. So they're trying to spin it, but they cannot stop it.

柯博拉：  这是正面的仙女座派和毕宿五派渗透特朗普政府的第一个结果。有些非人类起源的人基本上是仙女座和毕宿五团队的一员，他们在管理层中策划这一切。所以这一切正在发生，因为我认为深层政府已经无法阻止这一切了。所以他们试图粉饰，但无法阻止。

Debra: So will it still be like it has been, sort of an accelerated trickle until the Event where everything comes out? Is that how we can expect it to flow? (Yes). Okay. So at the time of this interview, we're still dealing with the Iran-Israel-USA War. Now it appears that Trump is trying to get out of it, leaving his reputation intact. Question about Martin Armstrong, who is a big expert in cycles - his computers show that this war will not end until 2027. Can you comment on what you know about this war and also about Martin Armstrong's statements?

黛布拉：  那么，它还会像以前一样，像是加速的涓滴，直到一切大白的事件吗？我们能期待它流向如此吗？（ 是的 ）。好的。所以在这次采访进行时，我们还在处理伊朗-以色列-美国战争。现在看来，特朗普正试图摆脱，保持他的声誉。关于马丁·阿姆斯特朗的问题，他是周期学领域的专家——他的计算机显示这场战争要到 2027 年才会结束。您能谈谈您对这场战争以及马丁·阿姆斯特朗的言论所了解的情况吗？

Cobra: Okay. This interview is taking place on June 15th, and this is the day when there was a peace agreement which was signed. It is not a complete resolution of this conflict, it is a partial resolution. The energy imprint of this is not resolved yet. It will take some time. So Martin Armstrong's approach is one perspective on how long this will last. It's not the only one. And I would say the general tendency is for those conflicts to be resolved as there is more of a positive energy coming in, but I would not give any predictions at this point.

柯博拉：  好的。这次采访将在 6 月 15 日进行，这一天签署了一项和平协议。这并非对冲突的全面解决，而是部分解决。这其中的能量印记尚未解决。这需要一些时间。所以马丁·阿姆斯特朗的做法是关于这种状况会持续多久的一个视角。这并不是唯一的一个。我认为总体趋势是这些冲突会随着更多正面能量的涌入而得到解决，但目前我不会做出任何预测。

Debra: Can we assume that our meditations in July will help this situation as well as other wars around the world come to an end?

黛布拉：  我们能否假设七月的冥想能帮助这局势以及全球其他战争结束？

Cobra: It will definitely help, but I cannot guarantee it will be enough.

柯博拉：  这肯定会有帮助，但我不能保证足够。

Debra: Okay. Now you mentioned in a recent update that the black nobility, the Jesuits, and the Zionists believe that the US-Iran war is being used as an end time showdown like the Armageddon. They intend to use war to manifest the arrival of their messiah. Can you tell us who is their messiah, and would you please explain what Armageddon in the Bible really is and why these people are so obsessed with such a radical method?

黛布拉：  好的。你最近在更新中提到，黑色贵族、耶稣会和犹太复国主义者认为美伊战争被当作末日对决，就像世界末日一样。他们打算通过战争来显现他们的弥赛亚降临。你能告诉我们谁是他们的救世主吗？能否请你解释一下圣经中的哈米吉多顿到底是什么，以及为什么这些人如此执着于这种激进的方法？

Cobra: The prince of darkness is their messiah, and they believe, or they would, I would say, they would like to believe, that this final battle will resolve their problem, that this final battle will allow them to rule the planet and it will be the end. So it's like an endgame for them.

柯博拉：  黑暗之王是他们的救世主，他们相信，或者说他们愿意相信，这场最终之战会解决他们的问题，这场最终之战将让他们统治这个星球，这将是终结。所以这对他们来说就像是终局。 

Debra: Right. And can you say that this will not happen?

黛布拉：  你能说这不会发生吗？

Cobra: Of course it will not happen. What will happen will be the end of darkness. This is what's going to happen.

柯博拉：  当然不会发生。将会有黑暗的终结。事情就是这样。

Debra: Absolutely. Yeah, I was wanting you to say that. Okay, great, thank you. I want to talk about AI. It's shocking how rapidly it's becoming part of our society. I mean, everybody seems to be using it as part of their daily life and nothing feels real anymore. How much of a concern is this and what is the future regarding this?

黛布拉：  绝对是。是的，我就是想让你这么说。好的，太好了，谢谢你。我想谈谈人工智能。令人震惊的是，它正迅速成为我们社会的一部分。我的意思是，大家似乎都把它当作日常生活的一部分，一切都变得不真实了。这有多大问题？未来会怎样？

Cobra: The main problem of AI, it is not able to discern whether the data is real or not, whether it is true or not. So it's like a big information processor and it makes mistakes. So AI can be useful, but people usually use it in the wrong way because they're too lazy to think. And this will have to play out, unfortunately. And at a certain point, AI will be just another tool that everybody's using, like they're using their cell phone and it will not be such a big deal anymore.

柯博拉：  人工智能的主要问题在于，它无法判断数据是否真实。所以它就像一个大型信息处理器，会犯错。所以人工智能可以有用，但人们通常因为懒得思考而用错了方法。不幸的是，这件事必须继续下去。到某个阶段，人工智能将成为大家使用的又一种工具，就像他们用手机一样，这也不再是件大事。

Debra: And there's also numerous data centers going up all over suddenly. Why is that and what's the plan about this?

黛布拉：  而且现在到处都在突然建起了许多数据中心。这是为什么？计划是什么？

Cobra: This is the surveillance mechanism of dark forces. They have a lot of data to process and feed through the AI about people. This is their way to control humanity. This is their plan to tighten the control.

柯博拉：  这就是黑暗势力的监视机制。他们有大量关于人类的数据需要处理并通过人工智能传递。这是他们控制人类的方式。这是他们加强控制的计划。

Debra: Well, yeah, it does seem like surveillance programs are being put in place all over. Our phones, traffic, airport cameras. I mean, even Apple recently announced that Siri would soon have full access to everything on our phones and it definitely sounds concerning. I want to ask you, it just feels like we're creeping dangerously close to Agenda 2030. Can you speak about that?

黛布拉：  嗯，是的，监控项目似乎正在各地实施。我们的手机、交通、机场摄像头。我的意思是，连苹果最近都宣布，Siri 很快将完全访问我们手机上的所有内容，这听起来确实令人担忧。我想问你，感觉我们正危险地接近 2030 议程。你能谈谈这件事吗？

Cobra: This surveillance mechanism was activated in 1996. It is just changing form because a lot of the old technology was removed by the Light Forces. They are just shifting into this phase. So it's not getting stronger. It's just more visible because the more advanced technology has been removed already.

柯博拉：  该监控机制于 1996 年启动。它只是形态在变化，因为许多旧技术被光明势力移除了。他们只是进入这个阶段。所以它并没有变得更强。只是因为更先进的技术已经被移除，所以更显眼。

Debra: Okay, so we don't have to worry about Agenda 2030.

黛布拉：  好吧，那我们不用担心 2030 议程了。

Cobra: No, you don't need to worry about that.

柯博拉：  不用担心。

Debra: Very good. Let's talk about something more fun. You indicated that on July 9th, Saint Germain will energetically anchor the new financial system as one aspect of the New Earth key through the Vendome column at Place Vendome in Paris. This sounds like a very positive sign towards financial abundance. So why July 9th? And what is the meaning of this energetic activation? Since we understand that the new financial quantum system will only be put in place after the Event.

黛布拉：  非常好。我们聊点更有趣的吧。您表示，7 月 9 日，圣日耳曼将通过巴黎旺多姆广场的文多姆柱，积极锚定新地球钥匙的一环。这听起来是对财务丰盛的非常积极的信号。那么为什么是 7 月 9 日？这种能量启动的意义是什么？我们理解新的金融量子系统将在事件之后实施。

Cobra: July 9th is the day of the astrological configuration where Neptune sits exactly at the midpoint between Uranus and Pluto. And that is the, I would say, the resonance position through which the archetype of the new financial system, not the physical system itself, but the energetic archetype of that system will be anchored on the physical plane at Place Vendome in Paris.

柯博拉： 7 月 9 日是海王星在天王星与冥王星的中点的占星配置日。我认为，这就是新金融体系原型——不是物理系统本身，而是该体系的能量原型——将锚定在巴黎旺多姆广场的物理层面上的共振位置。

Debra: Great. It definitely sounds like a step moving closer to that physical system being put in place. What is the significance of the Vendome column, which was built in a spiral design and perhaps reflects the Golden Ratio, and the Place Vendome itself, where the column is located? It's an octagon. So what is the significance of the octagon shape?

黛布拉：  太好了。这听起来确实像是向那个物理系统的建立迈出了一步。文多姆柱的意义是什么？它采用螺旋形设计，或许反映了黄金比例，以及文多姆广场本身，柱子就位于该地。那是八角形。那么八角形的意义是什么？

Cobra: So the column itself, it represents the Golden Timeline, which is being anchored, and the octanol shape and the hexagonal shape of the Place Vendome is the sacred geometry which resolves the anomaly. It transforms the anomaly.

柯博拉： 因此这根立柱本身代表着黄金时间线，它起到锚定作用；而旺多姆广场的八角轮廓与六边形构型，属于神圣几何，能够消解时空异常、将异常现象彻底转化归序。 

Debra: Beautiful. You said that Saint Germain will also energetically anchor this energy through the Hotel Ritz and Cartier store in Paris, and that the main emerald through which he will anchor this energy is the Berenice Emerald, which was carved in India during the Mughal Empire in the 1600s. Cartier was instrumental in incorporating Mughal emeralds into Tutti Frutti jewelry, which is a very strong anchor of energies of the Galactic Central Sun. Would you speak about the connection of all of this? Was Cartier a Templar or perhaps given information by the Light Forces to create beautiful emerald pieces that could be used in the future?

黛布拉：  漂亮。你说圣日耳曼还将通过巴黎丽思和卡地亚酒店店铺来能量锚定这种能量，而他将锚定这股能量的主要祖母绿是贝瑞尼斯祖母绿，这颗祖母绿是在 17 世纪莫卧儿帝国时期印度雕刻的。卡地亚在将莫卧儿祖母绿融入图蒂弗鲁蒂珠宝方面发挥了关键作用，这也是银河中央太阳能量的强大锚点。您能谈谈这一切之间的联系吗？卡地亚是圣殿骑士，还是光明势力提供了信息，制作出未来可用的美丽祖母绿宝石？

Cobra: He was not a Templar. Pierre Cartier and Jacques Cartier, actually Jacques Cartier was having a trip in India where he was introduced to the Mughal jewels and he immediately recognized their value because their energy was absolutely wonderful. And he brought those to Paris and this is how Cartier was able to introduce the Tutti Frutti jewelry. And this energy of those Mughal emeralds is absolutely the most powerful connection to the Galactic Central Sun. And those energies can be felt if you hold such an emerald in your hand, you can definitely feel that energy. And this is how this energy was brought to the West through that trip in India, which happened around the time of World War I.

柯博拉：  他不是圣殿骑士。皮埃尔·卡地亚和雅克·卡地亚，实际上雅克·卡地亚当时在印度旅行，他被介绍给莫卧儿珠宝，立刻意识到它们的价值，因为它们的能量绝对美妙。他把这些珠宝带到了巴黎，这也是卡地亚能够引入 Tutti Frutti 珠宝的原因。而这些莫卧儿祖母绿的能量绝对是与银河中央太阳最强大的联系。如果你手握着这样的翡翠，这些能量是可以感受到的，你绝对能感受到那股能量。这股能量正是通过第一次世界大战期间印度之行传入西方的。

Debra: Wow, beautiful. So this May marked the one-year anniversary of the Wesak Great Gathering by the Ascended Masters, which was their every 100 year gathering in Tibet. And it was at that meeting that they declared that darkness on the planet must be removed. So what are they doing now? What is their influence on today? And are they going to be involved in these big planetary conjunctions in July?

黛布拉：  哇，真漂亮。所以今年五月是晋升大师们举办的卫塞大聚会一周年纪念，这是他们每 100 年在西藏举行一次的聚会。正是在那次会议上，他们宣布必须消除星球上的黑暗。那他们现在在做什么？他们对今天有什么影响？他们会参与七月的这些大型行星合相吗？

Cobra: They're just carrying out their plan of total defeat of darkness day by day, and they will be very much present in July in those energies of the activation. They will be supporting that activation from higher planes.

柯博拉：  他们只是日复一日地执行彻底击败黑暗的计划，七月时他们将在启动的能量中非常活跃。他们会从更高位面支持启动。

Debra: Very good. Cobra, would you tell us a bit about your interactions with the Resistance Movement? Not so much about intel, but more about the human side. Like what do they look like? How do they think and feel? How do they live, et cetera?

黛布拉：  非常好。柯博拉，你能谈谈你与抵抗运动的互动吗？这不是关于情报，而是关于人性方面。比如它们长什么样？他们是如何思考和感受的？他们是如何生活的，等等？

Cobra: They look like humans. I mean, they are in human bodies. Psychologically, they are much different from the surface humanity. They don't have that programming that exists on the surface, but they do have their emotions. They're human beings without programming, I would say.

柯博拉：  他们看起来像人类。我是说，它们在人体里。从心理上看，他们与表面人类截然不同。他们没有表面上的那种编程，但他们有自己的情感。我认为他们是没有编程的人类。

Debra: Oh, lucky them. What's the update regarding their contact with surface Lightworkers?

黛布拉：  哦，他们真幸运。关于他们与表面光之工作者的接触情况如何？

Cobra: At this moment, there is no contact, basically. It's not yet time.

柯博拉：  此刻，基本上没有任何联系。还没到时候。

Debra: Okay. Do many Lightworkers have soul connections with members of the RM?

黛布拉：  好的。许多光之工作者与 RM 成员有灵魂联系吗？

Cobra: Not many, but some of them do.

柯博拉：  虽然不多，但有些确实如此。

 

SOUL FAMILIES

Debra: I would like to speak a little bit about souls and soul families. Would you please describe the creation of souls?

黛布拉：  我想谈谈灵魂和灵魂家庭。请你描述一下灵魂的创造过程吗？

Cobra: Souls are being born through the portal of the Galactic Central Sun, either in this galaxy or in other galaxies, and they are usually born in groups and those groups are the soul families. And usually when the soul is born, it's created in pairs with a female polarity and a male polarity, and these are the twin souls.

柯博拉：  灵魂通过银河中央太阳的门户诞生，无论是在本银河系还是其他银河系，通常成群结队，这些群体即为灵魂家族。通常灵魂出生时，会成对产生，分别是女性极性和男性极性，这就是双生灵魂。

Debra: And is it at the fifth dimension that the polarity splits into masculine and feminine? (Yes). Okay. So every soul you've said has a particular pattern that is different from any other soul in the entire universe. Who decides this specific soul pattern and design?

黛布拉：  那么，在第五维度，极性会分裂为阳性和阴性吗？（ 是的 ）。好的。所以你说的每个灵魂都有一种与宇宙中其他灵魂不同的特定模式。谁决定这个特定的灵魂图案和设计？

Cobra: When the Absolute projects sparks of itself, it projects sparks that are needed, their energy signature, which is needed in this universe. So this is how this is decided. And then combination of all those ray energies create the plan for the, I would say, the evolution of the universe.

柯博拉：  当绝对者投射自身火花时，它投射的是所需的火花，也就是他们的能量签名，而这在这个宇宙中是必需的。所以这是决定的过程。然后所有这些射线能量的组合，形成了我认为宇宙演化的计划。

Debra: Do soul families have similar patterns? (Yes). Okay. Do souls or soul families have a specific color assigned to them? And if so, is it possible to see this color while in a meditation state?

黛布拉：  灵魂家族之间有类似的模式吗？（ 是的 ）。好的。灵魂或灵魂家族会被赋予特定的颜色吗？如果可以，冥想状态下能看到这种颜色吗？

Cobra: I would say it's not a color, it's a ray. It's a certain energetic quality which can be described as colors and it's possible to see this in a meditation, yes.

柯博拉：  我觉得它不是颜色，而是光线。这是一种可以描述为颜色的能量特质，冥想中确实可以看到。

Debra: Can you share what the color or color feeling of the Anutara soul family is? I'm curious if it might be the opalescent blue-green color similar to what we're visualizing in the upcoming Ascension Portal Activation Meditation.

黛布拉：  你能分享一下阿努塔拉灵魂家族的颜色或色彩感觉吗？我很好奇它是否会是那种乳白色的蓝绿色，类似于即将推出的扬升门户启动冥想中所想象的。

Cobra: It is the emerald green.

柯博拉：  那是祖母绿。

Debra: Oh, beautiful. And speaking of, what's the current status of the healing and awakening of the Anutara family incarnated on Earth, particularly among the Positive Templars?

黛布拉：  哦，真漂亮。说到这里，地球上的阿努塔拉家族的治愈和觉醒情况如何，尤其是在正面圣殿骑士中？

Cobra: Not very good.

柯博拉：  不太好。

Debra: Oh, that's unfortunate. And can you share with us why that is and what might happen to make that better?

黛布拉：  哦，那真遗憾。你能和我们分享一下为什么会这样，以及可能发生什么来改善吗？

Cobra: I cannot say why that is. Simply the conditions are not ready yet and when overall conditions get better, when there is more Light, hopefully this will change.

柯博拉：  我无法说明原因。只是条件还没准备好，等整体条件好转，光更多时，希望情况会改变。

Debra: Okay, thank you. Some people talk about that there are people in the matrix and on Earth who are infillers or pawns used to maintain an illusion. Some refer to them as NPCs. It's also said they do not have souls but are merely empty shells. Would you please share your views on this?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。有人说，在矩阵和地球上，有些人是用来维持幻象的填充者或棋子。有些人称他们为 NPC。据说他们没有灵魂，只是空壳。请您分享一下您的看法。

Cobra: There are people like this, but there are not as many as some people think.

柯博拉：  确实有这样的人，但没有一些人想象的那么多。

Debra: What is that percentage? Can you tell us?

黛布拉：  那个百分比是多少？你能告诉我们吗？

Cobra: I would say maybe five to 10% of humanity.

柯博拉：  我估计大约占了 5%到 10%的人类。

Debra: Okay, thank you. And what will happen to these beings, I guess, if you want to call them, as more Light comes into the planet, and especially around the time of the Event?
黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。如果你愿意称呼这些生物，尤其是事件发生时，随着更多光进入星球，会发生什么？

Cobra: After the Event, when there will be the final evacuation, they will be evacuated and many of them will go to the Central Sun.

柯博拉：  事件结束后，当进行最终撤离时，他们会被疏散，许多人将前往中央太阳。

Debra: Okay, thank you. Many Lightworkers on the planet have very few or even no connection to other Lightworkers and they're also not able to travel to workshops or conferences; yet their soul knows that they're part of this process and they're placed in specific regions to anchor Light at this time, yet they can feel isolated and lonely. What's most important for them to understand and what would you say to encourage them?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。地球上许多光之工作者与其他光之工作者几乎没有联系，甚至无法参加工作坊或会议;然而，他们的灵魂知道自己是这个过程的一部分，并且被安置在特定区域以锚定光，但他们仍可能感到孤立和孤独。他们最需要理解什么？你会说什么来鼓励他们？

Cobra: The first thing is that many of them would be able to travel if they manifest that, and even if they are not able to travel, they can connect with others through the internet.

柯博拉：  首先，如果他们显化了这一点，许多人能够旅行，即使无法旅行，他们也能通过互联网与他人连接。

Debra: Very true, yes, thank you. But can you agree that souls are placed around the planet in various locations to hold Light in those areas?

黛布拉：  非常正确，是的，谢谢你。但你能同意灵魂会被放置在星球的不同位置，以在这些区域承载光吗？

Cobra: Yes.

柯博拉：  是的。

 

GODDESS ENERGY  

Debra: Yeah, I think if we can remember that then it makes us feel like we're doing our role. I'd like to speak to you now a little bit about Goddess energy. Can you tell us more about the cosmic angelic being AAEA? Wait, did I say that right? (Yes). AAEA, yes. I do the meditation, but I'm trying to remember how to say that. People report feeling a strong connection with her when doing the meditation, like finally arriving home. What is her relationship with the Goddess?

黛布拉：  是的，我觉得如果我们能记住这一点，就会觉得自己在履行自己的角色。我现在想和你谈谈女神能量。你能多介绍一下宇宙天使是 AAEA 吗？等等，我说得对吗？（ 是的 ）。AAEA，是的。我会做冥想，但我在努力记住怎么说。人们报告说，在冥想时感受到与她的强烈联系，就像终于回到家一样。她和女神是什么关系？

Cobra: She is the embodiment of the Goddess from the M87 Galaxy. She is the embodiment of cosmic love. So she is our connection to the very high frequencies of the Goddess.

柯博拉：  她是来自 M87 星系的女神的化身。她是宇宙之爱的化身。所以她是我们与女神极高频的联系。

Debra: Beautiful. Yes, that can definitely be felt when doing that meditation. Cobra, what causes the decline in energy for running the existing and creating new Sisterhood of the Rose physical groups? Have the focus of the Light Forces lessened towards supporting the establishment of the new groups and the Goddess temples, and might this improve in the future?

黛布拉：  漂亮。是的，冥想时确实能感受到这种感觉。柯博拉，是什么导致现有玫瑰姐妹会实体团体的能量下降？光明势力是否减少了对新团体和女神庙宇支持的关注，未来会有所改善吗？

Cobra: I would say that the collective Sisterhood of the Rose has encountered a block, a subconscious block which has not been removed, has not been healed, and that is the distorted sexual energy, unhealed sexual energy, and all this has to be transformed, or I would say, a part of this has to be transformed to make forward movement for the Sisterhood of the Rose.

柯博拉：  我会说，玫瑰姐妹会的集体遭遇了一个障碍，一个潜意识的障碍，没有被清除、没有被治愈，那就是扭曲的性能量，未愈合的性能量，这一切都必须被转化，或者说，必须转化其中一部分，才能推动玫瑰姐妹会的前进。 

Debra: I was going to ask you what we could additionally do to bring more divine feminine energy to the planet, besides Goddess temples and Sisterhood of the Rose groups, to bring in more of this Goddess energy. So you're saying that healing the sexual energy is a key factor? (Yes).  Okay. I know you've mentioned how to do that, but just so that people can be real clear, would you share with us a little bit on how to go about that?

黛布拉：  我本来想问你，除了女神庙和玫瑰姐妹会之外，我们还能做些什么来为地球带来更多神圣的女性能量，从而带来更多这种女神的能量。所以你是说疗愈性能量是关键因素？（ 是的 ）。 好的。我知道你提到过怎么做，但为了让大家更清楚，你能和我们分享一下具体怎么做吗？

Cobra: You need to use your own guidance for this.

柯博拉：  你需要依靠自己的指导。

Debra: Okay, all right, thank you. You mentioned during the workshop in Taipei, this was before the first 12:21 activation last year, that an interesting aspect of this 12:21 portal is its connection to the Goddess Isis, which is an energy originating from the Sirius Star system and that the Sirius star system has a direct link to 12:21 and that throughout most of the challenging times in the galaxy's history, Isis has stood as a guardian as a sacred Light within this sector of the Milky Way. What role will Isis play for this second activation in July?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。你提到在台北的研讨会上，那是在去年第一次 12：21 启动之前，这个 12：21 传送门的一个有趣方面是它与女神伊西斯的联系，伊西斯是一种源自天狼星系统的能量，天狼星系统与 12：21 有直接联系，并且在银河系历史上大多数艰难时期， 伊西斯作为守护者，是银河系这片区域的神圣之光。伊斯兰国将在七月的第二次启动中扮演什么角色？

Cobra: Isis will have a very important role, but it needs to remain classified.

柯博拉： ISIS 将扮演非常重要的角色，但必须保持机密。

Debra: Okay. When we see portraits of Goddess Isis, we often see a disc drawn above her head. What does this disc imply? Is it her Soul Star Chakra?

黛布拉：  好的。当我们看到伊西斯女神的肖像时，常常看到她头顶上方画着一个圆盘。这张光盘意味着什么？是她的灵魂星查克拉吗？

Cobra: It is her Soul Star Chakra and connection with the Sirius star system.

柯博拉：  那是她的灵魂星查克拉，也是与天狼星星系的联系。

Debra: Oh, interesting. Okay. As we have activated more and more portals over the last few years, many Lightworkers are aware of the fact that time is passing faster and faster. I think just the general public is feeling that, people seem to comment all the time how fast time seems to be going. Is this likely the spiral consciousness that Isis Astara mentioned many years ago, and can you elaborate on what the spiral consciousness is and its significance in 2026?

黛布拉：  哦，有趣。好的。随着近年来我们启动了越来越多的门户，许多光之工作者意识到时间流逝得越来越快。我觉得只是普通大众有这种感觉，人们似乎一直在评论时间过得太快。这很可能就是伊斯兰国·阿斯塔拉多年前提到的螺旋意识吗？你能详细说明一下螺旋意识是什么以及它在 2026 年的重要意义吗？

Cobra: Yes, this is the spiral consciousness that she was talking about, and this spiral consciousness is a new perception of time that is when your consciousness is not so attached to the third dimensional reality.

柯博拉：  是的，这就是她所说的螺旋意识，而这种螺旋意识是一种新的时间感知，即你的意识不再那么依赖于三维现实。

Debra: Can we expect time to continue to speed up in this aspect? (Yes). What is the Conical Spiral of Pappas and what is its relationship with Goddess spiral consciousness?

黛布拉：  我们能否期待时间在这方面继续加快？（ 是的 ）。什么是帕帕斯的圆锥螺旋，它与女神螺旋意识有什么关系？

Cobra: Okay. The Conical Spiral of Pappas is the mathematical description of the Golden Timeline, and it is of course connected to the spiral consciousness because when we disengage ourselves from the third dimensional reality, when we elevate our consciousness, we are also in a better position to manifest the Golden Timeline.

柯博拉：  好的。帕帕斯的圆锥螺旋是对黄金时间线的数学描述，当然也与螺旋意识相关联，因为当我们脱离三维现实，提升意识时，我们也更有能力显现黄金时间线。

Debra: Yeah, I was going to ask you how we can utilize the spiral consciousness in the three steps of manifestation and accelerate our personal and planetary timeline. So is there anything specific you can tell us on how to use this spiral consciousness?

黛布拉：  是的，我正想问你，我们如何在显化的三个步骤中利用螺旋意识，加速我们的个人和行星时间线。那么，你能告诉我们如何使用这种螺旋意识的具体方法吗？

Cobra: Whenever you reach that consciousness, you are actually manifesting. This is exactly the state of consciousness in which it is easiest to manifest.

柯博拉：  每当你达到那个意识时，你实际上是在显化。这正是最容易显现的意识状态。

Debra: Okay. So is that done with intent?

黛布拉：  好的。那么这是有目的的吗？

Cobra: It can be done spontaneously or it can be done with intent.

柯博拉：  它可以自发地进行，也可以有意识地进行。

 

GOLDEN TIMELINE AND MANIFESTATION

Debra: Okay, thank you. I'd like to talk to you a little bit more about the Golden Timeline since it's very important. How is it that working with it, that is doing the Golden Timeline meditation every day and really visualizing the lives that we want, how is it that it's so important to each of us on the planet right now?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。我想和你多聊聊黄金时间线，因为它非常重要。每天进行黄金时间线冥想，真正想象我们想要的生活，为什么它对我们每个人现在如此重要？

Cobra: It is because simply it makes our lives better and by embodying better lives, we are embodying the archetype of the new paradise. And this is very important because this creates a resonance field through which the planet can be liberated.

柯博拉：  仅仅因为它让我们的生活变得更好，而通过体现更好的生活，我们也体现了新天堂的原型。这非常重要，因为这创造了一个共振场，使地球能够获得解放。

Debra: Now in the past you've said that the manifestation of the Event does not depend on the consciousness level of humanity, but yet now raising our consciousness and our vibration by working to manifest our personal and planetary timeline does seem to be important and necessary. So why is it the Light Forces are now asking us to do this, and why now? Have the energies become more favorable for us to manifest?

黛布拉：  过去你曾说过事件的显现不依赖于人类的意识层次，但现在通过努力显化我们的个人和行星时间线来提升我们的意识和振动，似乎确实重要且必要。那么，为什么光明势力现在要求我们这样做，为什么是现在？能量是否变得更有利于我们显化？

Cobra: As I have said before, since the activation last August, we can begin to start utilizing our free will, and this is exactly why this process is taking place now.

柯博拉：  正如我之前所说，自去年八月启动以来，我们可以开始运用自由意志，这正是这个过程正在进行的原因。

Debra: I'm curious if it has anything to do with the ongoing upgrades with Project Dreamland?

黛布拉： 我很好奇这是否与“梦幻之地”项目正在进行的升级有关？

Cobra: This is classified information.

柯博拉：  这是机密信息。

Debra: Okay. In Kevin Trudeau's teachings, he says by using these teachings, anything is possible, he even says you can manifest your soulmate. Now we understand that the dark ones have been keeping a lot of Lightworkers from connecting with a soulmate or twin soul. Would you speak on the status of that possibility, especially before the Event?

黛布拉：  好的。在凯文·特鲁多的教导中，他说通过运用这些教义，一切皆有可能，他甚至说你可以显化你的灵魂伴侣。现在我们明白，黑暗之主一直阻止许多光之工作者与灵魂伴侣或双生灵魂连接。您能谈谈这种可能性的现状吗，尤其是在事件之前？

Cobra: I would say it is now within possibility to manifest a soulmate for the Lightworkers who are really working on their evolvement. This is becoming possible. For twin souls, I would say it is theoretically possible, but practical examples are extremely few.

柯博拉：  我认为现在有可能为那些真正致力于进化的光之工作者显化灵魂伴侣。这正在变得可能。对于双生灵魂，我认为理论上是可行的，但实际例子极少。

Debra: But the soulmate is potentially more possible. (Yes). Okay. In theory, if you fully master the process of manifestation, it should be possible to change your appearance, such as your height, your eye color, your skin color, or even make yourself invisible to others. What is actually possible in the 3D world? Like how about reverse aging?

黛布拉：  但灵魂伴侣的可能性更大。（ 是的 ）。好的。理论上，如果你完全掌握显化过程，应该可以改变你的外貌，比如身高、眼睛颜色、肤色，甚至让自己对他人隐形。在 3D 世界中，究竟可能实现什么？比如逆向衰老怎么样？

Cobra: Okay. The things you have mentioned are usually possible in the last stage of the Ascension process.

柯博拉：  好的。你提到的这些通常在扬升过程的最后阶段是可能的。

Debra: And reverse aging, do we have to wait ‘til ... well, I know med beds would work on that as well.

黛布拉：  逆转衰老，我们是不是得等到......嗯，我知道医疗床对这类情况也适用。

Cobra: It's possible to start with this reverse aging much, much earlier, but I would say the complete process would be possible around the time the med beds are introduced.

柯博拉：  逆向衰老完全可以更早开始，但我认为整个过程应该在医疗床引入时完成。

Debra: Okay, thank you. What if a person is doing the Golden Timeline meditation and intrusive thoughts of unwanted situations arise during the meditation? Does this influence the result and what should they do?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。如果一个人在进行黄金时间线冥想时，冥想过程中出现了关于不想要情况的侵入性想法怎么办？这会影响结果吗？他们应该怎么做？

Cobra: It does influence the result to a degree, but they don't need to worry. They just use the Violet Flame and remove this and continue with the meditation.

柯博拉：  这确实在一定程度上影响结果，但他们不必担心。他们只需使用紫罗兰火焰，移除这些元素，继续冥想。

Debra: Oh, very good to know. When it comes to manifesting and meditations, would it be most beneficial to avoid words with strongly negative connotations? For example, the current monthly full moon physical intervention meditation, which is intended to manifest a better future, mentions having no more negative things such as holocaust, genocide, war, slaughterhouses, et cetera. But some participants feel uncomfortable with this. One participant writes, "During the last meditation on physical intervention, I understood, or rather sensed, why as soon as a strongly negative word is mentioned, my vibration dropped significantly and consequently I would create with that vibration. The positive description that follows can no longer compensate for this. Furthermore, I lose my flow. In workshops, for example, Munich and Sydney, we've learned that all creation formulas [manifestations] should be consistently positive and described in the present tense. What would be the energetic reason for using negatively charged terms in these meditations?” Cobra, would you please comment on this?

黛布拉：  哦，知道了，真好。在显化和冥想方面，是否最有益的还是避免使用带有强烈负面含义的词语？例如，目前每月的满月物理介入冥想，旨在显化更美好的未来，却提到不再有负面事物，比如大屠杀、种族灭绝、战争、屠宰场等。但有些参与者对此感到不适。一位参与者写道：“在上一次关于身体干预的冥想中，我理解了，或者说感觉到了，为什么一旦提到一个强烈负面的词，我的振动就会显著下降，因此我会用那个振动创造。接下来的积极描述已无法弥补这一点。此外，我会失去流畅感。在慕尼黑和悉尼的工作坊中，我们学到所有创造公式（显现）都应始终保持积极，并用现在时描述。在这些冥想中使用负能量词汇的能量原因是什么？”柯博拉，你能对此发表评论吗？

Cobra: Yes. It'll be much better to reword that meditation so the negative words are removed. That would be much better.

柯博拉：  是的。最好把冥想的措辞改掉，去除那些负面词汇。那样会好得多。

Debra: Oh, wow, you made a lot of people very happy by saying that. Thank you. You've stated that the most important things in manifesting a new society will be for humanity to establish their connection to their soul, to open their hearts, to connect with their inner child, and reclaim their innate innocence. It's also stated that much of this is only possible after the Event. Is there anything Lightworkers who came here to assist in this process can do now to anchor these energies?

黛布拉：  哇，你说这话让很多人都很开心。谢谢。你曾说过，显化新社会最重要的事情是人类建立与灵魂的连接，敞开心扉，连接内心的孩子，并重新夺回与生俱来的纯真。书中也提到，很多事情只能在事件之后实现。来到这里协助这一过程的光工作者现在能做些什么来锚定这些能量吗？

Cobra: Yes. By meditating upon those things, those things can be manifested.

柯博拉：  是的。通过冥想这些事物，这些事物可以被显化。

Debra: Okay, thank you. We understand that to manifest our Golden Timeline, it's essential to connect with our soul, our Higher Self, yet people are reporting not being clear on how to do this and they have requested that you please give some specific practical examples of how one can successfully connect with one's Higher Self or soul.

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。我们理解，要显化黄金时间线，必须与我们的灵魂、更高自我连接，但人们反映不清楚如何实现这一点，他们请求您提供一些具体的例子，说明如何成功连接自己的高我或灵魂。

Cobra: In one of the conferences, I think it was in Tokyo or in Kyoto, I have given many techniques, many meditations to connect with the Higher Self and you can just go through the workshop notes and through my past blog posts and you will find those meditations.

柯博拉：  在一次会议上，我想是在东京或京都，我分享了许多技巧和冥想，帮助你与更高自我连接，你可以翻阅工作坊笔记和我过去的博客文章，找到那些冥想。

Debra: Okay, very good. Is one of those the ATVOR, connecting through ATVOR? (Yes). Okay, I thought so. How can one check or know whether one is connected to one's Higher Self or soul?

黛布拉：  好的，非常好。其中之一是 ATVOR，通过 ATVOR 连接吗？（是的）。好吧，我就知道。如何检查或知道自己是否与更高的自我或灵魂相连？

Cobra: When you are connected with your Higher Self, you feel that connection, you feel inspired, you feel guided, you feel connected.

柯博拉：  当你与你的高我连接时，你会感受到那种连接，感到被启发，感到被引导，你感到连接。

Debra: Okay, great. Working on the Golden Timeline can be challenging, especially because most people are actually new to this concept and they have past trauma, wounding, negative programming, et cetera, that make it difficult to stay consistently positive. What advice do you have for these people?

黛布拉：  好的，太好了。研究黄金时间线可能很有挑战性，尤其是因为大多数人对这个概念还很陌生，他们有过去的创伤、创伤、负面编程等，这让他们很难持续保持积极。你对这些人有什么建议？

Cobra: I would just say persevere, keep going, and practice and you will get better.

柯博拉：  我只想说坚持下去，继续练习，你会越来越好。

Debra: Okay. Very good. And you still are recommending the teachings of Kevin Trudeau to assist with this?

黛布拉：  好的。非常好。你还在推荐凯文·特鲁多的教导来辅助这件事？

Cobra: I would say this particular book I have mentioned is quite good in learning the basics of manifestation.

柯博拉：  我觉得我提到的这本书在学习显化基础方面相当不错。

 

HEALING AND PROTECTION  

Debra: Okay, thank you. And so for our final topics, let's speak a little bit more about healing and protection. How do we face one's own shadow in the least painful way? Are there techniques or meditations that can help?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。所以，在最后的话题中，让我们多谈谈一些关于疗愈和保护的内容。我们如何以最不痛苦的方式面对自己的阴影？有没有什么技巧或冥想能帮到你？

Cobra: Simply be an observer. So do not get too identified with the shadows when they surface. Just observe them, watch them, and focus upon the Light. And you can just release them with the Violet Flame.

柯博拉：  只是做一个旁观者。所以当阴影浮现时，不要过于认同它们。只要观察他们，观察他们，专注于光。你也可以用紫罗兰火焰释放它们。 

Debra: Oh, very good. Thank you. What can we do to help other people facing their inner shadow, except maybe to meditate upon our own individual and planetary golden timeline? Can we help other people?

黛布拉：  哦，非常好。谢谢。除了冥想我们自身的个人和行星黄金时间线之外，我们还能做些什么来帮助其他面对内心阴影的人？我们能帮助别人吗？

Cobra: Yes. Sometimes they need somebody to talk to, they need somebody who would listen to them, and they need some silent support.

柯博拉：  是的。有时候他们需要有人倾诉，需要有人倾听，需要无声的支持。

Debra: Okay, thank you. You'd mentioned recently that our first, second, and third chakras are all being cleared, especially by the energy of the New Earth. What can we expect from each of these three chakras being cleared and these distortions corrected?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。你最近提到，我们的第一、第二和第三脉轮都在被清除，尤其是新地球的能量。从这三个脉轮被清除和纠正这些扭曲中，我们可以期待什么？

Cobra: The first thing that is the most important is there will be much less fear. There will be much less manipulation. There will be much less pain.

柯博拉：  首先最重要的是，恐惧会大大减少。操控会少得多。疼痛会少很多。

Debra: Very good. And that sounds kind of like the first chakra, or does that apply to the second and third as well?

黛布拉：  非常好。这听起来有点像第一脉轮，还是也适用于第二和第三脉轮？

Cobra: This is for all three chakras.

柯博拉：  这是针对所有三个脉轮的。

Debra: Okay, thank you. There's been increasing discussion regarding the importance of healing in order for the divine masculine and divine feminine to rise in sacred union. What does this healing mean and what are its impacts? How does this connect to the mission of Lightworkers and liberation and why is this so important?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。关于治愈的重要性的讨论越来越多，因为这是为了让神圣的阳刚和神圣阴性在神圣结合中扬升。这种疗愈意味着什么？它带来了哪些影响？这与光之工作者的使命和解放有何关联？为什么这如此重要？

Cobra: I was speaking in the past about this a lot. I was describing how the implants are structured, what the programming is and how this is being dismantled. And if people follow that guidance, there will be many breakthroughs.

柯博拉：  我以前经常谈论这个。我描述的是植入物的结构、程序内容以及它如何被拆解。如果人们遵循这些指导，将会有许多突破。

Debra: Okay. Do you see this has been getting better in this area?

黛布拉：  好的。你觉得这方面情况有改善吗？

Cobra: No.  

柯博拉：  不。

Debra: So we need to do more work on that.

黛布拉：  所以我们需要在这方面做更多工作。

Cobra: This has not even started.

柯博拉：  这还没开始呢。

Debra: Okay. So there's over 160 tachyon chambers around the world and they've been made stronger in recent months due to emerald light upgrades. Can you speak further on this and also comment whether these chambers expect to receive an opal light upgrade?

黛布拉：  好的。全球有超过 160 个超光速粒子舱，近几个月来由于祖母绿光的升级而变得更强。你能进一步谈谈这件事吗？也评论一下这些室是否预计会获得蛋白石灯升级？

Cobra: The chambers are getting stronger because I would say the positive energies are getting stronger and it's easier for the Light Forces to calibrate the chambers to those new energies, but the chambers already have opal light.

柯博拉：  这些舱室变得更强，因为我认为正能量在增强，光明势力更容易校准舱室以适应这些新能量，但舱室里已经有蛋白石光。

Debra: Oh, beautiful. How are they helping people and how are they helping the planet? It's important that people understand this so that more people are inclined to use them.

黛布拉：  哦，真漂亮。他们如何帮助人们，又如何帮助地球？让人们明白这一点很重要，这样更多人才会倾向于使用这些信息。

Cobra: What chambers do, they harmonize your energy field and they harmonize your quantum field and this can trigger quite effective healing and some people have very strong experiences with them. And of course you can visit any of the existing chambers and experience that for yourself, and the more and more of those chambers are built, the stronger the light is around the planet.

柯博拉：  密室的作用是协调你的能量场和量子场，这能触发非常有效的疗愈，有些人对它们有非常强烈的体验。当然，你也可以亲自参观任何一个现有的舱室，亲身体验，这些舱室建得越多，星球周围的光线就越强。 

Debra: Very good. Cobra, would you share the website for those chambers?

黛布拉：  非常好。Cobra，你能分享一下那些房间的网站吗？

Cobra: Tachyonis.org

柯博拉： Tachyonis.org

Debra: Thank you. Are there any improvements in the non-physical plan for those that die? Do they have the opportunity to ascend?

黛布拉：  谢谢。对于那些死去的人，非物理计划有没有改进？他们有机会扬升吗？

Cobra: They cannot ascend yet because there is still a matrix, but some of the people who die are having contact with their guides, but the whole situation has not been transformed yet.

柯博拉：  他们还不能扬升，因为仍有矩阵存在，但一些死去的人正在与他们的引导者接触，整个局面尚未完全改变。 

Debra: Due to the delays, there are Lightworkers who are very weary and they feel they're physically and emotionally done with this lifetime and they do want to leave this physical dimension. Now you've mentioned that staying in the physical body helps speed up the whole process of liberation the most. Why is this?

黛布拉：  由于延误，有些光之工作者非常疲惫，他们觉得自己身心都已厌倦这一生，确实想离开这个物质维度。你提到留在肉体中最能加快整个解脱过程。这是为什么？

Cobra: Simply because the physical plane is where the source of the problem is and this is where it has to be resolved. And people who are really tired, they just need a break. They need to take some rest, maybe even a long rest, maybe one year, two years, who knows. They just need time for themselves to rest and heal.

柯博拉：  原因很简单，因为物理层面是问题的根源，而这里必须解决这个问题。而那些真的很累的人，他们只是需要休息一下。他们需要休息，甚至可能需要长时间休息，也许一年、两年，谁知道呢。他们只需要时间休息和疗愈。

Debra: That's excellent advice. Thank you. Regarding free will, you recently mentioned each situation on the surface of the planet has many possible outcomes that are defined by free will vector field equations limited by the ingoing slope of the cone of the Antarian Conversion. We know that humanity’s free will is influenced by several factors including manipulation by the dark. To what extent, and in what ways, can we influence people's free will so as to counteract this manipulation? And would such action on our part also constitute a manipulation of others' free will, or would it simply be seen as a counterbalance to the influence exerted by the dark side as kind of a neutralization of the dark side's manipulation?

黛布拉：  这是很好的建议。多谢。关于自由意志，你此前提到：这颗星球上发生的每一种事态，都存在无数种潜在结果；这些结果由自由意志矢量场方程界定，同时受安塔利亚转化锥的入射斜率约束。我们清楚，人类的自由意志会受到多重因素干扰，其中就包括黑暗势力的操控。我们能够在多大程度上、以何种方式去影响他人的自由意志，以此抵消这类黑暗操控？另外，我们采取这类行动，本身是否也等同于操控他人的自由意志；还是说，这只能算作制衡黑暗势力施加的影响，相当于中和黑暗一方的操控手段？

Cobra: If you try to manipulate other people's free will, you will just make them more confused. So this is not the right approach. The right approach is just to inform people by laying information out there and those who are ready for it will receive it and they will apply.

柯博拉：  如果你试图操控别人的自由意志，只会让他们更加困惑。所以这不是正确的做法。正确的做法是通过提供信息来告知公众，准备好的人会收到并申请。

Debra: Okay, thank you. We understand that connection with our soul will give us protection against the dark attacks. How can we tell whether we're being influenced by negative entities or whether we're being guided by benevolent beings including our soul/ Higher Self? It's hard to know sometimes if it's an attack or something that is for our higher good.

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。我们明白与灵魂的连接将为我们抵御黑暗攻击提供保护。我们如何判断自己是受到负面实体的影响，还是被包括灵魂/高我在内的善意存在引导？有时候很难判断这是攻击，还是为了我们更高的利益。

Cobra: Okay. If it feels negative, it's not for your higher good. It's very very simple.

柯博拉：  好的。如果感觉消极，那就不是为了你的好。非常非常简单。 

Debra: Okay, great. Thank you. Regarding the importance of feeling safe and being safe, what is most important for Lightworkers to understand at this time? Specifically, how can we best understand the importance of safety and best support ourselves and each other?

黛布拉：  好的，太好了。谢谢。关于感到安全和保持安全的重要性，光工作者此时最需要理解什么？具体来说，我们如何最好地理解安全的重要性，并更好地支持自己和彼此？

Cobra: Safety is connected to the first chakra, to the root chakra, and the basic key to safety is to release fear. And when you release fear and connect with your Higher Self, that feeling of safety will increase.

柯博拉：  安全与第一脉轮、根轮相连，而安全的关键是释放恐惧。当你放下恐惧，与你的高我连接时，那种安全感会增强。

Debra: Okay, thank you. Within groups in the community, there are still people whose main aim is not to serve the higher good, but rather to serve their own ego, or as an infiltrator, even to undermine the work, whether consciously or unconsciously. What difference does it make in terms of the success or the mission and/or energetically if someone wishes to serve their ego, such as wanting to be in control, wanting power, wanting to be respected, wanting to feel important, et cetera, or if someone intends to sabotage the work/mission, often in subtle ways so that it isn't noticeable at all. And how can we protect the work, the mission, when such people are involved?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。在社区中的群体中，仍有一些人的主要目标不是服务于更高的善，而是满足自己的自我，或者作为渗透者，甚至有意或无意地破坏工作。这对成功或使命，或者在能量上有什么影响？如果有人想满足自己的自我，比如想要掌控、想要权力、想被尊重、想感觉重要等等，或者有人打算以微妙的方式破坏工作或使命，往往以隐晦的方式让它完全察觉不到。当这些人参与其中时，我们如何保护这项工作和使命？

Cobra: Unfortunately, infiltration happens a lot and people have many weaknesses. If somebody is disturbing the mission too much, that person needs to be expelled from the mission.

柯博拉：  不幸的是，渗透事件发生得很频繁，人们也有许多弱点。如果有人太扰乱任务，那个人就应该被开除出任务。

Debra: Why is it that some people who were previously seen as sincere Lightworkers, their driving force has become satisfaction of their ego? Is it because the energies are shifting in such a way that deception is becoming more difficult or because these energies are throwing people off balance? And how should we deal with such people?

黛布拉：  为什么一些曾经被视为真诚光之工作者、他们的驱动力的人，变成了自我满足的对象？是因为能量在某种程度上转变，使得欺骗变得更难，还是因为这些能量让人失去平衡？我们该如何应对这样的人？

Cobra: One aspect of the situation is people got tired, people are waiting for results and they didn't come and they gave up, and they just want to get their reward, which is understandable, but this needs to be put into balance. So anybody who is too off balance either needs to change their way or they need to leave the mission and go somewhere else.

柯博拉：  情况的一个方面是人们感到疲惫，等待结果却没有出现，他们放弃了，他们只想拿到回报，这可以理解，但需要权衡。所以任何失去平衡的人要么需要改变方式，要么就得离开任务去别处。 

Debra: Okay, thank you. Would you please speak now about the importance of collaboration, especially at this time?

黛布拉：  好的，谢谢你。请您现在谈谈合作的重要性，尤其是在当前阶段？

Cobra: Okay, this was always very important. It was seldom followed. I think it's obvious. I mean, the dark ones know how to cooperate, and this is why they are so effective. The Light ones need to learn cooperation as well and be as effective as well.

柯博拉：  好吧，这一直非常重要。很少有人遵守。我想这很明显。我的意思是，黑暗者懂得合作，这也是他们如此有效的原因。光明派也需要学会合作，并且同样高效。

Debra: Absolutely. That's why we're calling for critical mass on July 25th. So Cobra, I have to ask you, what methods do you, dear Cobra, use to stay centered, confident, and strong and to carry on with your mission, despite frustrating events, such as the Event being postponed, or upsetting or hurtful experiences, like some of the comments on your blog?

黛布拉：  绝对是。这就是为什么我们呼吁 7 月 25 日达到临界质量。所以柯博拉，我必须问你，亲爱的柯博拉，你用什么方法保持内心、自信和坚强，继续完成你的使命，尽管遇到挫败事件，比如事件被推迟，或者经历了令人难过或伤人的经历，比如你博客上的一些评论？

Cobra: Okay, number one is that I know what my purpose is and I follow that purpose. I would say my will is unbreakable because I know what I came here to do and I will do it. This is not to say it was easy; it was extremely hard, but it does not mean that we will not be successful. It just means that it takes longer. There are many disappointments, but the main key is to connect with the Higher Self and to be aware of the highest purpose all the time.

柯博拉：  首先，我知道自己的目标是什么，并且我会遵循这个目标。我会说我的意志坚不可摧，因为我知道自己来这里是为了做什么，我会去做。这并不是说这很容易;这非常艰难，但这并不意味着我们不会成功。只是意味着需要更长时间。虽然有许多失望，但关键是与更高的自我连接，并时刻意识到最高的目的。

Debra: Oh, Cobra, that was beautiful. I got goosebumps and my eyes started to water. So thank you so much for your dedication and your strong will. Yeah, that's great. So thank you for sharing that. From your perspective, what is most important for Lightworkers to know and then do at this crucial time?

黛布拉：  哦，柯博拉，真美。我起了鸡皮疙瘩，眼睛开始流泪。非常感谢你们的奉献和坚定的意志。是的，那很好。所以谢谢你分享这些。从你的角度看，光之工作者在这个关键时刻最需要知道并采取行动的是什么？

Cobra: What is most important to know is that this nightmare will be over. I don't know exactly when or how, but it will be over and there are already results which can be felt. The energies on the surface are definitely better than they were 10 years ago. If you remember how things were 10 years ago or even a few years ago and now you can feel the difference and things are going in the right direction, it just takes time. So what is important for us is just to keep going until the finish line.

柯博拉：  最重要的是，这场噩梦终将结束。我不知道具体什么时候、怎么结束，但终将结束，已经有成果可以感受到。地表上的能量确实比十年前好得多。如果你还记得十年前甚至几年前的情况，现在你能感受到变化，事情正朝着正确的方向发展，只是需要时间。所以对我们来说，最重要的是坚持到底。

 

CLOSING  

Debra: Absolutely. Thank you. And Cobra, as we wrap this interview, as inspiration, would you just for a moment summarize the changes and benefits we individually and planetarily will receive with the upcoming 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation this July? And do you have any other words of hope for Lightworkers?

黛布拉：  绝对是。谢谢。柯博拉，在我们结束这次采访时，作为灵感，你能否简要总结一下今年七月即将到来的 12：21 扬升门户启动，我们个人和全球将获得的变化和益处？你还有什么希望的话语可以给光工作者吗？

Cobra: One of the most important changes that will happen will be the beginning of the hell to heaven conversions, which means that potential negative situations will finally begin to be eliminated. So the overall sum of suffering will finally begin to be eliminated and will decrease on the surface of the planet. And this is our hope. Finally, things will start to improve. I don't know how or when exactly, but this is the beginning of a very important phase of the process.

柯博拉：  其中最重要的变化之一将是地狱到天堂的转变开始，这意味着潜在的负面情况终于开始被消除。因此，整体的痛苦总和最终会开始被消除，并在地球表面减少。这就是我们的希望。最终，情况会开始好转。我不知道具体怎么做，也不知道具体什么时候，但这是过程中一个非常重要阶段的开始。

Debra: All right. Thank you. That's great motivation for everyone to participate in the important global meditations coming in July to support this very significant moment in human and planetary history. I want to remind people that the booster meditations are scheduled for July 15th at 8:28 PM UTC, July 18th at 4:45 AM UTC, and July 21st at 11:11 AM UTC. And then of course the main meditation on July 25th at 5:53 AM UTC. So we encourage people to check out Cobra's blog at 2012portal.blogspot.com, as well as the We Love Mass Meditation website at welovemassmeditation.com for more information and updates. And please remember that the more people that participate, the more powerful the results will be. Spread the word, because we are stronger together!

黛布拉：  好。谢谢。太好了 激励每个人参与重要的全球冥想 该项目将于七月发布，以支持这一人类和地球上极为重要的时刻 历史。我想提醒大家，加强期冥想安排在 7 月 15 日晚上 8：28（UTC）、7 月 18 日上午 4：45（UTC）和 7 月 21 日上午 11：11（UTC）。当然，还有 7 月 25 日 UTC 时间凌晨 5：53 的主冥想。因此，我们鼓励大家访问柯博拉的博客 2012portal.blogspot.com，以及我们爱大众冥想网站 welovemassmeditation.com 更多信息和更新。请记住，越多人参与 参与后，结果会越有力量。传播消息，因为我们 团结起来更强大！

I would very much like to thank all the beautiful souls who helped support this interview. I especially would like to mention Cobra's international team who works so hard to do all the translations for his articles, interviews, guided audios and videos, and who sent in some great questions. I hope that everyone understands that due to time constraints, not all questions could be used and we do apologize for that.

我非常感谢所有支持这次采访的美好灵魂。我特别想提到 Cobra 的国际团队，他们非常努力地为他的文章、采访、导听和视频翻译，并提交了许多精彩的问题。希望大家能理解，由于时间有限，并非所有问题都能被使用，我们对此深表歉意。

And so most of all, we would like to thank you, Cobra, not just for your time today, but for the incredible hard work you do, year after year, your dedication and your continued strength to hold the Light for humanity. Thank you again.

最重要的是，我们要感谢你，柯博拉，不仅感谢你今天的时间，更感谢你年复一年所付出的非凡努力，你的奉献和持续的力量，为人类守护光明。再次感谢你。

Cobra: Thank you for your invitation for this interview and thank you everybody that will participate in this activation.

柯博拉：  感谢您邀请本次采访，也感谢所有参与本次活动的朋友。

Debra: Very good, yes, thank you. Thank you to everyone in advance for your participation. So all right, Cobra, I'm going to let you go. It was great talking to you and thank you again.

黛布拉：  非常好，谢谢。提前感谢大家的参与。好吧，柯博拉，我先放你走了。和你聊天很愉快，再次感谢你。

Cobra: Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

柯博拉：  好的。非常感谢。

Debra: Victory of the Light!

黛布拉：  光的胜利！

Cobra: Victory of the Light!

柯博拉：  光的胜利！ 

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