Sisterhood of the Rose organized an interview with chief intel provider "Cobra" in July of 2025 to discuss the importance of the 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation taking place in August, and the significance of the three scheduled global meditations on August 12th, 18th, and 21st that will assist in bringing in and anchoring the energies of this once-in-a-lifetime cosmic shift.
蔷薇圣女团在 2025 年 7 月组织了一次对首席情报提供者“柯博拉”的采访，讨论了 8 月 12:21 扬升门户启动的重要性，以及 8 月 12 日 th 、18 日 th 和 21 日 st 这三次计划好的全球冥想的重要性，它们将有助于引入和锚定这一生中只有一次的宇宙转变的能量。
In this interview, Cobra and Debra, a leader with the Sisterhood of the Rose Planetary Network, discuss the opportunity of the massive astrological configurations in August to strengthen the portal and trigger the process that will finalize the optimal Ascension timeline for the planet. Cobra explains how this is the greatest energy shift we have ever experienced in our lifetimes, why it is important for as many people as possible to meditate together during these configurations, and what we might expect after the portal opens. Also discussed are important current and historical topics, the Event, Ascension, the rise of the Divine Masculine and return of the Goddess, soul families and twin souls, healing for Lightworkers, and much more!
在本次访谈中，Cobra 和 Debra（蔷薇圣女团行星网络的领导者）讨论了 8 月份大规模星象结构带来的机会，以加强门户并触发最终确定地球最佳扬升时间线的进程。Cobra 解释了为什么这是我们一生中经历过的最伟大的能量转变，为什么尽可能多的人在这些结构期间一起冥想非常重要，以及门户开放后我们可能期望发生什么。讨论的主题还包括重要的当前和历史话题、事件、扬升、神圣阳性的崛起和女神的回归、灵魂家族和双生灵魂、光工的疗愈等等！
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Below is the transcript of the interview:
以下是访谈的文字记录：
Debra: Hello, this is Debra with the Sisterhood of the Rose Planetary Network, and today I have the pleasure again of speaking with Cobra. Cobra is the chief intel provider for the Resistance Movement where he offers important planetary and Galactic information at his blog 2012portal.blogspot.com.
黛布拉：大家好，我是蔷薇圣女团行星网络的黛布拉，今天我很高兴再次与 Cobra 对话。Cobra 是抵抗运动的首席情报提供者，他在他的博客 2012portal.blogspot.com 上提供重要的行星和银河信息。
Today we will be speaking about the extremely important 12:21 Ascension Portal Activation taking place in August, and the critical global meditations that will assist this. We'll also talk about some current and historical topics, the Event, Ascension, the Goddess, healing, and so much more. So let's get started. Welcome Cobra. Thank you for joining me today.
今天我们将讨论八月份即将发生的极其重要的 12:21 升维之门激活，以及将协助这一过程的全球关键冥想活动。我们还将谈到一些当前和历史上的话题，包括“事件”（The Event）、升维、女神、疗愈等等。那么，我们开始吧。欢迎 Cobra，感谢你今天参加这次访谈。
Cobra: Thank you for inviting me to this interview. And hello everybody.
Cobra：感谢邀请我参加这次访谈。大家好。
Ascension Portal Activation
扬升门户启动
Debra: Absolutely, always great to talk to you. You've indicated that there are absolutely massive astrological configurations coming in August that will trigger the opening of the 12:21 Ascension Portal, claiming that it is the greatest energy shift that we have ever experienced in our lifetimes. That this marks the end of a certain cycle when cosmic evil will be erased from the multiverse forever and will open the door again for the spiritual evolution of humanity and it will also reactivate the Ascension process. Can you tell us about this certain cycle? Is it the 26,000-year cycle of darkness that is referenced so often or is it something even greater than that?
黛布拉：没错，和你交谈总是很愉快。你提到八月份将出现极其庞大的天体配置，这将触发 12:21 扬升门户的开启，并声称这是我们在一生中经历过的最大的能量转变。这标志着某个特定周期的结束，宇宙中的邪恶将永远从多元宇宙中被消除，并再次为人类的精神进化打开大门，同时也会重新激活升维过程。你能告诉我们这个特定周期是什么吗？它是指经常被提到的 26,000 年的黑暗周期，还是比这更重大的事情？
Cobra: It is something even greater than that. It is the huge cosmic cycle. The whole universe is now about to reach the maximum point of expansion and is about to contract again, and in the exact moment between the expansion and contraction, there is a moment where subquantum anomaly is being cleared, and this is exactly the moment of this portal. So we are now almost at the peak of this process, peak of this cosmic change, which we have been waiting basically for millions upon millions of years.
Cobra：它比那还要更伟大。这是一个巨大的宇宙周期。整个宇宙现在即将达到膨胀的最大点，并且即将再次收缩，而在膨胀和收缩之间的确切时刻，存在一个亚量子异常被清除的时刻，而这正是这个门户的时刻。所以我们现在几乎处于这个过程的顶峰，这个宇宙变化的顶峰，我们基本上已经等待了数百万年。
Debra: Wow, that is powerful. You've said that this portal will open a 12:21 Point of Grace throughout the multiverse, in the multiverse subquantum field and that it will be a huge transition that you just spoke about. Would you further explain what that Point of Grace is?
黛布拉：哇，这太强大了。你说过这个门户将在整个多元宇宙、在多元宇宙亚量子场中开启一个 12:21 的恩典点，这将是你刚才谈到的一个巨大的转变。你能进一步解释一下什么是恩典点吗？
Cobra: Point of Grace is a multidimensional code which is able to transform everything that exists into pure Love and Light. (Beautiful.) I would say it's the ultimate healing device for the whole universe.
Cobra：恩典点是一种多维代码，能够将存在的一切转化为纯粹的爱与光。（太棒了。）我想说它是整个宇宙的终极疗愈装置。
Debra: Wow. Can you help us better understand what the subquantum realm is and how it differs from the quantum?
黛布拉：哇。你能帮助我们更好地理解什么是亚量子领域，以及它与量子的区别吗？
Cobra: Subquantum realm is basically beyond space and time continuum. It is in the dimension which is smaller than the Planck length, which is the smallest possible length within space and time. So quantum length is within the, or inside the, space time continuum, where subquantum realm is beyond that. Subquantum realm is basically not detectable with anything that exists in this universe.
Cobra：亚量子领域基本上超越了时空连续体。它存在于比普朗克长度更小的维度中，普朗克长度是时空中最小的可能长度。因此，量子长度存在于时空连续体之内，而亚量子领域则超越了它。亚量子领域基本上无法用存在于这个宇宙中的任何东西来探测到。
Debra: Interesting. Given that this portal will bring about major changes in this subquantum realm, what changes might we expect in our emotional and spiritual lives?
黛布拉：有意思。鉴于这个门户会给这个亚量子领域带来重大变化，我们可能期望在我们的情感和精神生活中发生什么变化？
Cobra: What will happen when the subquantum anomaly is gone and when the Lurker is gone, the healing of the emotions will become much easier, and our spiritual connection with our soul and higher planes will also become much easier.
柯博拉：当亚量子异常消失，潜伏者消失后，情感的疗愈会变得更容易，我们与灵魂和更高层面的精神连接也会变得更容易。
Debra: Great. What about changes in our physical lives, both for us individually as well as collectively?
德布拉：很好。那么关于我们个人以及集体的物质生活有哪些变化呢？
Cobra: Again, as the Lurker is removed, there will be much, much less of the so-called Murphy's Law, much less negative coincidences. There will be much more flow, things will start to move much more smoothly. And as there will be more impact of the higher realms towards the physical plane, more of the highest purpose will begin to manifest both in our physical lives and also on a global scale.
柯博拉：同样，随着潜伏者的移除，所谓的墨菲定律会越来越少，负面巧合也会越来越少。流动性会更强，事情会开始变得更加顺利。并且随着更高领域对物质层面的影响越来越大，更高的目标将开始在我们的物质生活和全球范围内显现。
Debra: We look forward to that. How will this Point of Grace allow greater communication amongst humans?
德布拉：我们期待着那一天。这个“荣耀之点”如何促进人类之间的更好沟通？
Cobra: What will happen is that people will begin to have their connection with their soul again and soul-to-soul connection is the basis of true communication.
Cobra：将会发生的是，人们将重新与自己的灵魂建立连接，而灵魂与灵魂之间的连接是真正沟通的基础。
Debra: That makes sense. What about greater communication with beings on the non-physical planes?
黛布拉：有道理。那么与非物质层面的存在进行更深入的交流呢？
Cobra: Also the same story. People will have more connection with their own soul, and as such, they will be able to connect with beings on the non-physical plane much easier in their meditations and in their dreams.
柯博拉：也是同样的情况。人们将更多地与自己的灵魂连接，因此，他们将能够在冥想和梦境中更容易地与非物质层面的存在连接。
Debra: Good. So will this increase telepathic or other abilities, and if so, what types of abilities?
黛布拉：好的。那么这会增强心灵感应或其他能力吗？如果会，会是哪些类型的能力？
Cobra: Those abilities will begin to develop slowly, especially for those who will make some effort, we'll do some exercises to awaken them.
柯博拉：这些能力会逐渐发展，尤其是对于那些愿意付出努力的人，我们会做一些练习来唤醒它们。
Debra: Okay. Will you be sharing some of those exercises?
德布拉：好的，你会分享一些这些练习吗？
Cobra: It might happen in the future.
柯博拉：也许将来会这样。
Debra: Okay, very good. What is the best description of these energies that are coming through the portal? Is it Cosmic Love, Source Light, Divine Ray, Light Codes, all of that?
黛布拉：好的，很好。这些通过门户进入的能量最好的描述是什么？是“宇宙之爱”、“本源之光”、“神圣之光”、“光代码”，还是所有这些？
Cobra: It is indescribable. It is all that you have said and much more. It is a new, completely new, energy which has never been manifested since the birth of the universe, since the Lurker was always present. When this subquantum anomaly is gone, we will be entering something completely new, which has never existed before.
柯博拉：这是难以形容的。这就是你所说的，还有更多。这是一种全新的、全新的能量，自宇宙诞生以来从未出现过，因为潜伏者一直存在。当这个亚量子异常消失后，我们将进入一个全新的世界，一个从未存在过的世界。
Debra: Wonderful. So in your post in June announcing this Ascension Portal Activation, you wrote, "The only evil remaining will be that personal evil within the energy field of the surface humanity." Does that mean that negative non-physical entities will be gone and not affect any more of the surface population?
黛布拉：太好了。你在六月份发布的关于这次扬升门户激活的文章中写道：“唯一残存的邪恶将是地表人类能量场中存在的个人邪恶。”这是否意味着负面的非物质实体将会消失，不再影响任何地表民众？
Cobra: The only thing remaining will be personal evil within human beings and the surface Cabal, the Brotherhood of Death, the so-called Illuminati; and some of those Illuminati when they die, they will still be present for some time on the non-physical planes. But I will say the vast, vast, vast majority of non-physical entities at that point will be gone.
柯博拉：唯一剩下的将是人类和表面阴谋集团的个人邪恶，死亡兄弟会，所谓的光明会；而其中一些光照派在他们死后，他们仍会在非物质层存在一段时间。但我要说的是，到那时，绝大多数的非物质实体将会消失。
Debra: Okay, good. In reference to this, you've stated that after the portal opening, this remaining evil inside our energy fields will be to the extent humans are attached to it consciously and subconsciously; that it will be easier for us to use free will. Can you explain what free will is and how it works?
黛布拉：好的。关于这一点，您说过门户开放后，我们能量场中残余的邪恶程度将取决于人类在有意识和无意识层面上与它的连接程度；我们将更容易使用自由意志。您能解释一下什么是自由意志以及它是如何运作的吗？
Cobra: Free will is the ultimate mystery of the universe. It is the tool that each being can use to reconnect back to the Source to come back to the Source. And the muscle with which we train free will is decisions. So, with decisions we can shape our destiny, and with right decisions we can decide to release all attachment to that inner anomaly which still exists, whatever attachment we still have to our past situations that are blocked in our energy fields.
柯博拉：自由意志是宇宙的终极奥秘。它是一种工具，每个存有都可以使用它来重新连接回到源头，回到源头。我们用来训练自由意志的肌肉就是决策。所以，有了决定，我们就能塑造我们的命运，有了正确的决定，我们就能决定释放所有对仍然存在的内在异常的依恋，不管我们对过去的情况有什么依恋，它们都被我们的能量场所阻塞。
Debra: Interesting. So you said that it'll be important for humanity consciously to use their free will to release the past and sever these energetic links with the anomaly. How do we realize that there's still something evil in our energy field? And how can we clean or remove or transmute the personal energy in our field as quickly and comprehensively as possible?
黛布拉：有意思。所以你说人类有意识地运用他们的自由意志来释放过去，切断与异常的能量连接，这一点很重要。我们如何意识到我们的能量场中仍然存在邪恶的东西？我们如何才能尽可能快速和全面地清理、移除或转化我们场中的个人能量？
Cobra: Of course, you'll feel that there is something within you that is not of the Light. You'll feel some darkness, some density, and when you feel that coming to the surface, you can just use your own decision, your own will to release that. And you can also ask beings of Light to assist you; you can ask the assistance of Archangel Michael to ask him to help you to release those attachments.
柯博拉：当然，你会感觉到你内心有些东西不是来自光的。你会感受到一些黑暗，一些密度，当你感觉到这些东西浮现出来时，你可以用你自己的决定、你自己的意志去释放它们。你也可以请求光之生物的帮助；你可以请求大天使迈克尔的帮助，让他帮你释放这些执着。
Debra: To what extent does this depend on each person as an individual, or is it on the energy of humanity as a whole?
黛布拉：这种过程在多大程度上取决于每个人作为个体，还是取决于整个人类的能量整体？
Cobra: It is both. It is an individual process and also a group process. So the more the whole humanity goes through the process, the easier it'll be for everybody to go through the process as well.
柯博拉：这两者都有。这是一个个人的过程，也是一个群体的过程。所以，整个人类越能经历这个过程，每个人要经历这个过程就会越容易。
Debra: Okay. How can we help other people to realize that they have something in their energy field that needs to be cleansed or removed or transmitted, or is this something that they must realize themselves?
黛布拉：好的，我们怎样才能帮助其他人意识到他们的能量场中有一些东西需要净化、清除或传递？还是说这是他们必须自己意识到的事情？
Cobra: This is something they need to realize themselves when they're ready because if you try to explain to them before they're ready, they will resist and you'll be just wasting your energy.
柯博拉：这是他们必须在自己准备好的时候自己意识到的事情，因为如果你在他们还没准备好的时候试图向他们解释，他们会抗拒，而你只是在浪费自己的精力。
Debra: Yes, we all know about that! In your recent WLMM interview, you said that after the portal opening, the Veil will be greatly diminished, and the only aspect of the Veil will be the technology that is still in the hands of the surface Cabal. It sounds like the negative etheric technology will be gone and this relates to the remaining evil within the energy field of the surface humanity. How might they still negatively affect us? I mean what technology or resources will they still have?
黛布拉：是的，我们都知道这一点！在你最近的 WLMM 采访中，你说在门户开启之后，面纱（Veil）会大大减弱，而面纱唯一剩下的方面就是地表上的阴谋集团仍然掌握的科技。听起来负面以太科技将会消失，这与地表人类能量场中残存的邪恶有关。他们还会以什么方式对我们产生负面影响呢？我的意思是，他们还拥有哪些科技或资源？
Cobra: They will still have HAARP technology. They will have directed energy weapons. They will still have some electromagnetic technology. They will have infrasound technology, whatever is in the cell phone towers, whatever they distribute to the cell phones, all that will not be gone. It'll still be here. And of course, the usual pollution that we have on the surface of the planet, electromagnetic pollution from the devices that we have creates also one aspect of the Veil.
柯博拉：他们仍然会拥有 HAARP（高空变频雷达）技术。他们仍然会拥有定向能武器。他们还会掌握一些电磁技术。他们仍然会拥有次声波技术，包括手机塔中的一切，以及他们分发到手机上的所有东西，这些都不会消失。它们仍然会存在。当然，我们地表上通常的污染，比如我们使用的设备所产生的电磁污染，也是面纱的一个方面。
Debra: Will these technologies remain in effect until the Event, or will they begin to be reduced over time?
黛布拉：这些技术会在“事件”发生前一直有效吗？还是会随着时间逐渐被削弱？
Cobra: They will begin to be slowly and gradually reduced, and this clearing will accelerate as we come very close to the Event.
柯博拉：它们会逐渐被削弱，而且随着我们非常接近“事件”时，这种削弱会加快。
Debra: Will it still be necessary to protect ourselves after this portal opening if the majority of this darkness is gone? I know you said there still would be this technology around, and if so, what might we best use to protect ourselves until the Event? Will the protection protocols that we've been using still be effective? I'm curious which one you feel is the most effective at this time?
黛布拉：如果大部分黑暗力量已经消失，那么在门户开启后是否还需要保护自己？我知道你说过仍然会有一些这种技术存在，如果有的话，我们最好用什么来保护自己直到“事件”发生？我们之前使用的保护协议还会有效吗？我想知道你现在觉得哪种方法最有效？
Cobra: It'll still be necessary to protect against those negative technologies and also against the negativity of surface humans. And you can use all of those technologies, those protection protocols that have been released, and you can just see for yourself which one works for you the best because this is an individual situation.
柯博拉：仍然需要防范那些负面技术，以及地面人类的负面情绪。你可以使用所有已发布的那些技术以及防护协议，然后自己看看哪种对你最有效，因为这是个人情况。
Debra: Okay, I understand. Would you please update us on the status of the black stones that have been placed in negative military complexes? From what we understand, these black stones are still hindering the progress of the Light Forces toward the surface, and they are the last major elements that still maintain the planetary quarantine to a certain extent, in addition to the actions of the Cabal. Will the opening of the portal allow the Light Forces to be even more effective in clearing these last black stones?
黛布拉：好的，我明白了。请你向我们更新一下已经放置在负向军事设施中的黑石的现状。据我们了解，这些黑石仍然阻碍着光明势力向地表的推进，它们是目前仍然在一定程度上维持着地球隔离的最后主要元素，除了阴谋集团的行动之外。门户的开启是否会让光明势力更有效地清除这些最后的黑石？
Cobra: All those black stones have already been removed.
柯博拉：所有那些黑石都已经移除了。
Debra: Excellent, thank you. You mentioned that the Absolute would transmit a key of the New Earth after the 12:21 Portal Activation and that this new key would assist the Light Forces in removing planetary and personal evil. We understand from your WLMM interview that this is an etheric key, not a physical one. Can you tell us more about this key?
黛布拉：太好了，谢谢你。你提到在 12:21 门户激活之后，至高存在（Absolute）会传递一个新地球的钥匙，这个新钥匙将帮助光之力量清除地球和个人层面的邪恶。我们从你的 WLMM 采访中了解到，这是一把以太层面的钥匙，而不是物理层面的。你能告诉我们更多关于这把钥匙的信息吗？
Cobra: I would not say it's an etheric key. I would say it's a multidimensional key which exists simultaneously in all dimensions at once. And this is an energy which came from the Absolute, and it's coming from the Absolute and will continue coming from the Absolute to transform and transmute the Earth into the New Earth to remove all darkness and to ascend the planet into the new frequency.
柯博拉：我不会说它是一把以太钥匙。我会说它是一把多维钥匙，同时存在于所有维度中。这是一种来自本源的能量，它来自本源，并将继续来自本源，以将地球转化和嬗变为新地球，移除所有黑暗，并将地球扬升到新的频率中。
Debra: Interesting. Would you explain true vacuum steady state? And after the portal opening, will the phase transition to true vacuum steady state be instantaneous or will it take some time to complete?
黛布拉：有趣。你能解释一下真正的真空稳态吗？在门户打开之后，相变到真正的真空稳态是瞬间发生的，还是需要一些时间才能完成？
Cobra: The true vacuum state, this transition will occur in subquantum field; in linear space and time, it might take a few days for this transition to be complete.
柯博拉：真正的真空状态，这种转变将发生在亚量子场中；在线性空间和时间中，这种转变可能需要几天才能完成。
Debra: Okay. And what is the connection between the 11:11 Portal that was opened in 2012, then closed in 2022, and the 12:21 Ascension Portal in August?
黛布拉：好的。那么 2012 年开启的 11:11 门户，然后在 2022 年关闭，和 8 月的 12:21 升维门户之间有什么联系吗？
Cobra: Okay. Basically the 11:11 Portal was opened in 1992, and the purpose of that portal was to anchor very high frequency energies on the surface of the planet. It created a strong connection to very, very, very advanced spiritual planes, and it allowed the anchoring of those energies within the physical matter of this planet. And the 12:21 Portal has a different purpose. The 12:21 Portal does not have the purpose of anchoring energies. It has a purpose to liberate the planet and to trigger the Ascension process for the planet to transmute everything that exists here.
柯博拉：好的。基本上来说，11:11 门户是在 1992 年开启的，开启这个门户的目的是为了将非常高的频率能量锚定在地球表面。它建立了一个与极其先进灵性层面的强烈连接，并允许这些能量在地球的物质层面中被锚定下来。而 12:21 升维门户则有不同的目的。12:21 门户并不是为了锚定能量，它的目的是解放地球，并触发地球的升维过程，从而转化这里的一切存在。
Debra: Okay. In August, we have some incredibly powerful astrological configurations taking place as we've said. And in the past, you've said that Lightworkers all have aspects in their birth charts that have to do with the three outer planets. Does this mean specifically the three aspects of the "Magic Triangle" of this August, which are Uranus sextile Neptune, Neptune sextile Pluto, and Uranus trine Pluto? Or does this include other aspects that involve the outer three?
黛布拉：好的。正如我们之前所说，八月将出现一些非常强大的占星配置。过去你曾说过，光之工作者的出生图中都有一些与三颗外行星有关的相位。这是否特指八月的“魔法三角”中的三个相位，即天王星与海王星的六分相、海王星与冥王星的六分相，以及天王星与冥王星的三分相？还是说这也包括其他涉及这三颗外行星的相位？
Cobra: I would say the vast majority of people who were incarnated in the last half century or so have Neptune sextile Pluto in their birth chart. And this aspect makes them more open to spiritual growth, and Lightworkers have this aspect more directly activated.
柯博拉：我想说，过去半个世纪左右出生的大多数人，在他们的星盘中都有海王星与冥王星成六分相。这个相位让他们更容易接受灵性成长，而光之工作者则更直接地激活这个相位。
Debra: Okay, good. How will the astrological configurations on August 21st trigger the energetic process of the New Renaissance for the whole Solar System and thus accelerate the implementation of Operation Dreamland on the surface of the planet in the coming months and years?
黛布拉：好的，明白了。8 月 21 日的占星配置将如何触发整个太阳系的新文艺复兴能量过程，并从而在接下来的几个月和几年中加速“梦境计划”在地球表面的实施？
Cobra: Okay. When the portal opens on August 21st, this will send a huge shockwave of very intense Light throughout the whole Solar System and this energy will begin to filter down towards the surface of the planet. And in the next few years, we have a strong resonance of Neptune sextile Pluto and that energy will keep flowing throughout the Solar System and towards the surface of the planet and will begin to inspire those on the surface who are ready to bring forth the New Renaissance.
柯博拉：好的。当 8 月 21 日门户开启时，这将向整个太阳系传播一股非常强烈的光的巨大冲击波，这股能量将开始向下渗透到行星表面。在接下来的几年里，我们将经历海王星与冥王星形成 sextile（六分相）的强烈共振，这种能量将持续在整个太阳系中流动，并向行星表面传播，从而开始激励那些已经准备好迎接新文艺复兴的人。
Debra: Very good. What kinds of activities are expected of Lightworkers and Lightwarriors after August 21st?
黛布拉：非常好。8 月 21 日之后，光工和光战士应该进行哪些活动？
Cobra: Everyone who feels guided to continue whatever they're doing now, they can continue. Some people will receive new guidance and there will be some new situations introduced after the opening of the portal.
柯博拉：每个人如果感到被指引继续他们现在所做的事情，他们可以继续。有些人会收到新的指引，并且在门户开放后会出现一些新的情况。
Debra: Okay. How will the opening of the 12:21 Ascension Portal bring us even closer to apocatastasis, which is the moment when all quantum and subquantum anomaly will be cleared, and all evil consciousness either transformed into the Light or annihilated in the Central Sun?
黛布拉：好的。12:21 扬升门户的开启将如何使我们更接近万物复原（apocatastasis），即所有量子和亚量子异常将被清除，所有邪恶意识要么转化为光，要么在中央太阳中被消灭的那一刻？
Cobra: This opening will actually complete the key of the New Heaven and activate the key of the New Earth. It'll be the final removal of cosmic evil and the beginning of the clearing of the planetary and personal evil. And when this personal and planetary evil is gone, the planet will ascend and it'll be the end of the evil for this universe forever, and for all universes forever. It will be the end of the process. So, it is the turning point of the whole process.
柯博拉：这次开启实际上将完成新天堂的钥匙，并激活新地球的钥匙。这将是最终移除宇宙邪恶，并开始清除行星和个人邪恶。当这种个人和行星邪恶消失时，地球将扬升，这将是这个宇宙以及所有宇宙永远的邪恶的终结。这将是这个过程的结束。所以，这是整个过程的转折点。
12:21 Ascension Portal Activation Meditation
12:21 扬升之门启动冥想
Debra: Excellent. Now let's discuss the very important upcoming mass meditations that will be taking place August 12th, 18th, and 21st that will assist in finalizing the optimal Ascension timeline for the planet. But first, would you share what each of the powerful astrological configurations are coming in August, as well as what each one of them will do for humanity, our planet, and our Solar System?
黛布拉：很好。现在让我们讨论即将在 8 月 12 日、18 日和 21 日举行的大型冥想活动，这些活动将有助于确定地球最理想的扬升时间表。但首先，你能否分享一下八月将出现的各个强大的天体配置，以及它们将对人类、我们的星球和我们的太阳系产生什么影响？
Cobra: Okay, first on August 12, we will have three very powerful aspects. One after the other, few hours one after the other. The first one will be Neptune sextile Sedna. This aspect will bring a very, very high frequency spiritual energies of the next cosmic cycle. So it'll be like the first taste of what is about to come. And then a few hours later, I would say one and a half hours later, it'll be Saturn sextile Uranus. This is a very encouraging aspect which brings stable progress, so this energy will stabilize those energies. And then two hours later there will be a triple Venus-Jupiter-Sirius conjunction. This conjunction is, I would say, the luckiest astrological configuration that I'm aware of that exists. It is the most joyful, most happy, most positive, effortless, easy astrological aspect. And if you'll be awake on the morning of August 12th, you will be able to see Venus and Jupiter and Sirius gather together just before the sunrise. It will be a beautiful sight.
柯博拉：好的，首先在 8 月 12 日，我们将有三个非常强大的相位。一个接一个，几个小时接连不断地出现。第一个是海王星与塞德娜星的六分相。这个相位将带来下一个宇宙周期非常非常高的灵性能量。这就像品尝即将来临的事物的第一口。然后几个小时后，大概一个半小时后，将是土星与天王星的六分相。这是一个非常鼓舞人心的相位，会带来稳定的发展，因此这种能量将稳定之前那些能量。再两个小时后，将出现金星、木星和天狼星的三重合相。我认为这个合相是目前我所知道的最幸运的占星配置。这是最愉快、最快乐、最积极、最轻松、最容易的占星相位。如果你在 8 月 12 日早上醒着，你将能够在日出前看到金星、木星和天狼星聚集在一起，这将是一道美丽的景象。
And then we have August 18th, we'll have a conjunction between Neptune and Uranus/Pluto midpoint. This aspect has happened a few times and will happen again later, but this time it'll be the most powerful one. This will be the aspect which will trigger the process of the New Renaissance for the planet.
然后是 8 月 18 日，我们将迎来海王星和天王星/冥王星中点的合相。这个相位已经发生过几次，之后还会再次发生，但这一次将是最强大的。这个相位将触发地球新文艺复兴的进程。
And then on August 21st, we will have the same aspect, but for the whole Solar System, the heliocentric aspect, the same aspect will bring those energies for the whole Solar System. And this will finally trigger the Ascension process for the whole Solar System, because there are many motherships inside the Solar System that will transmit those energies throughout the Solar System, and they will actually trigger the Ascension process for this planet. Because in those few days, there will be a huge grand trine between M87 Galaxy, Pluto, and a gathering of three astrological points which is Uranus, Sedna, and Alcyone. This will be a huge flow of energy, which will start in the Virgo Galaxy cluster in M87 Galaxy, it will travel throughout the Galaxy, of course through the Pleiades, and then through the whole outer Solar System. So it'll be a huge current of Light, which will spiral through the universe and then it'll anchor on the surface of this planet and trigger the Ascension process. So the days between August 18th and 21st will be extremely intense and that energy will be anchored at that point. And then there will be a few days of integration of all that. Then we have more aspects coming towards the end of August, I might speak more about it at some later point.
然后在 8 月 21 日，我们将拥有相同的视角，但针对整个太阳系，是日心视角，同样的视角将为整个太阳系带来这些能量。这将最终触发整个太阳系的升维进程，因为太阳系内有许多母舰将把这些能量传播到整个太阳系，它们实际上会触发这个星球的升维进程。因为在那几天里，M87 星系、冥王星以及天王星、赛德娜和阿尔克虹这三个占星点将形成一个巨大的三合相。这将是一股巨大的能量流，它将从 M87 星系的室女座星系团开始，贯穿整个星系，当然也会经过昴宿星团，然后进入整个太阳系外围。因此，这将是一股巨大的光之能量流，它将螺旋状地穿越宇宙，然后在该星球的表面锚定并触发升维进程。因此，8 月 18 日至 21 日之间的日子将非常强烈，而这股能量将在那个时刻锚定。之后将有几天时间来整合这一切。 然后我们在八月底会有更多的方面到来，我可能会在以后的某个时候更多地谈论它。
Debra: Wow. I think we're beginning to understand how truly important this is that is taking place this August!
黛布拉：哇，我想我们开始明白，这个在八月发生的事情有多么重要！
Cobra: I would say that we have never experienced such strong astrological configurations in this lifetime. This is definitely the strongest one.
柯博拉：我想说，我们这一生从未经历过如此强烈的星象配置。这绝对是迄今为止最强的一次。
Debra: It sure sounds like it. Thank you for explaining all of that. How will these three meditations contribute to each of these occurrences, and also to the impact and success of this portal activation?
黛布拉：听起来确实如此。谢谢你解释这些。这三次冥想将如何促进这些事件的发生，以及对这个门户激活的影响和成功有什么作用？
Cobra: The thing is that the energy difference between before the portal activation and after is so huge that we need to do it in steps. We need to do three quantum leaps, so therefore we will have three meditations. In each of those meditations it is very desired to reach the critical mass, because then we have the optimal flow of energies going through the surface of the planet, we will have the maximum yield, we'll have the maximum efficiency of the huge cosmic energies that will be able to be distributed through the surface humanity. And of course this brings the best and optimal timeline for the future.
柯博拉：关键是，在门户启动之前和之后的能量差异非常巨大，所以我们需要分步骤来进行。我们需要进行三次量子跃迁，因此会有三次冥想。在每次冥想中，达到临界质量是非常重要的，因为这样我们就能让巨大的宇宙能量以最佳的方式通过地球表面，从而实现最大的能量输出和最高的效率，这些能量将能够被人类所接收和利用。当然，这也会带来对未来最有利、最优化的时间线。
Debra: So it sounds like each meditation builds upon each other.
黛布拉：所以听起来每次冥想都是建立在前一次的基础上的？
Cobra: Yes.
柯博拉：是的。
Debra: Yes, I know you've said it was a quantum leap toward the opening of this Ascension Portal. I have to ask, what would be the consequences if we do not reach critical mass for one or more meditations?
黛布拉：好的，我知道您说过这是朝着开启扬升门户的量子飞跃。我必须问一下，如果我们未能在一个或多个冥想中达到临界质量，会有什么后果？
Cobra: The portal will still open, but the energy transmission through the surface of the planet, and especially through the surface humanity, will not be optimal. This will be less efficient and less harmonious. But the portal will be open nevertheless, because it's a cosmic occurrence, nothing in this universe can stop this.
柯博拉：门户仍然会打开，但通过行星表面，尤其是通过人类表面的能量传输将不会是最优的。这将效率更低，更不和谐。但门户终究会打开，因为这是宇宙现象，这个宇宙中没有任何东西可以阻止它。
Debra: Okay. Well, of course we're going to encourage everyone to participate in all three meditations, as well as share and encourage others to participate, because we definitely would like to reach that critical mass. Would you advise doing a booster meditation to stimulate more participants for each of these meditations?
黛布拉：好的。当然，我们会鼓励每个人参加这三次冥想，同时分享并鼓励其他人参与，因为我们确实希望达到那个临界点。你建议在每次冥想时都进行一次增强冥想，以吸引更多参与者吗？
Cobra: Yes. We'll do a booster meditation. For some time zones it will be July 28th, for some time zones, it'll be July 29th. When you publish this interview, the instructions will already be on the blog.
柯博拉：是的。我们会进行一次助推冥想。对于一些时区来说，是在 7 月 28 日，对于另一些时区来说，是在 7 月 29 日。当你发布这次采访的时候，相关说明已经在博客上发布了。
Debra: Very good. And what about using Command 12:21 to ask for assistance to bring more participants? Would this help?
黛布拉：很好。那么使用“命令 12:21”来请求帮助以吸引更多参与者，这会有帮助吗？
Cobra: Yes.
柯博拉：是的。
Debra: Okay, we will use that. In your recent Paris workshop, you stated that 12:21 is the interstellar code for Divine Intervention and that we can expect the Light Forces to actively intervene in the situation on Earth during the opening of this portal in August. It doesn't seem like a coincidence there is also a Command 12:21 that you've given us to seek support and assistance from the Galactic team. What is the connection between Command 12:21 protocol and the 12:21 Ascension Portal?
黛布拉：好的，我们会使用这个。在你最近的巴黎研讨会中，你提到 12:21 是星际代码中的“神圣干预”，并且我们可以在 8 月开启这个通道时，期待光明势力积极介入地球上的情况。看起来这并非巧合，因为你也给了我们一个命令 12:21，让我们向银河团队寻求支持和帮助。命令 12:21 协议和 12:21 扬升之门之间有什么联系？
Cobra: It relates to the same code, which is 12:21, which is the code for Divine Grace and Divine intervention. And I do not see any valid reason why the Light Forces should not begin physical intervention very soon after the portal is open because enough darkness will be cleared; it'll be just the surface humanity and the surface Cabal. So the plans for that intervention can start immediately. How long it will take until it is implemented, I don't know, but there is no valid reason why the Light Forces should not start intervening very shortly after the portal is open.
柯博拉：这与同一段代码有关，即 12:21，这是神圣恩典和神圣干预的代码。我认为光明势力在门户打开后很快开始物理干预没有任何正当理由，因为足够的黑暗会被清除；那只是地表的人类和地表的阴谋集团。因此，该干预计划可以立即开始。它需要多长时间才能实施，我不知道，但光明势力在门户打开后很快开始干预是没有正当理由的。
Debra: I may be asking you this later in another question, but since you mentioned it right now, could you explain what that physical intervention might look like?
黛布拉：我可能稍后会在另一个问题中问你这个问题，但既然你现在提到了，你能解释一下物理干预是什么样子的吗？
Cobra: Even if I could, I would not because it's classified.
柯博拉：即使我可以告诉你，我也不愿意，因为这是机密的。
Debra: Absolutely, that makes sense. What about invoking Command 12:21 during the Ascension Portal Activation? Will that magnify the impact?
黛布拉：完全理解，这很有道理。那么在“扬升之门”启动期间启动第 12:21 号指令会增强效果吗？
Cobra: You can do so before the meditation and after the meditation, but during the meditation itself, the instructions are already everywhere.
柯博拉：你可以在冥想前或冥想后这样做，但在冥想过程中，指示已经无处不在了。
Debra: Yes. And speaking of the instructions, would you explain why we visualize a wave of white, pink, blue, and golden Light and Love? What are the properties of each of these colors and what effects do they have?
黛布拉：好的。说到指示，您能解释一下我们为什么要观想白色、粉色、蓝色和金色光与爱的波浪吗？这些颜色各自的属性是什么，它们又有什么作用？
Cobra: Those few colors cover the most key combinations of various rays which need to be anchored. As you know, each color has a certain frequency: a white color connected with a first ray, pink color with a second ray, blue color with a third ray, and the golden Light is a combination of fourth to seventh rays, and combination of all those can create resonances in all the 12 rays that exist. So those four colors, combination of those, can create every possible frequency of Light and Love that we need for this activation.
柯博拉：这几种颜色涵盖了需要锚定的各种光束的最关键组合。如你所知，每种颜色都有一定的频率：白色与第一道光束相连，粉色与第二道光束相连，蓝色与第三道光束相连，而金色光是第四到第七道光束的组合，所有这些的组合可以在所有存在的 12 道光束中产生共鸣。因此，这四种颜色，它们的组合，可以创造出我们这次激活所需的所有可能的光与爱的频率。
Debra: Well, it's an absolutely beautiful visualization, so I think we'll all be real happy to visualize those beautiful colors. You mentioned in your blog post that the current timeline is not going in the best direction and that these meditations are our chance to collectively shift the timeline back into the optimal timeline for planetary liberation. But wasn't there an update saying the positive timeline was guaranteed and no more negative timelines remain? Is the positive timeline for planetary liberation still secure?
黛布拉：嗯，这是一个非常棒的冥想可视化，所以我认为我们都会很高兴地去冥想那些美丽的色彩。你在博文中提到，当前的时间线并没有朝着最好的方向发展，而这些冥想是我们集体将时间线转移回行星解放的最佳时间线的机会。但之前不是有更新说积极的时间线得到了保证，不再存在负面时间线了吗？行星解放的积极时间线是否仍然安全？
Cobra: Okay, the basic timeline is secure of course, but there are variations to the theme. I mean, of course we are not getting the most possible positive situation, and there are various ways to get from here to the final liberation. Some of them are less chaotic, some of them are more chaotic, and we are trying to shift this transformation in the best possible way to reach the optimal timeline. So the current timeline that we are now in is not yet the optimal timeline. The basic timeline has been secured, therefore liberated, but how we get there is open…there is still some freedom of choice involved.
Cobra：好的，基本时间线当然是安全的，但主题会有变化。我的意思是，我们当然没有得到最积极的情况，而且从这里到最终解放有各种各样的方法。其中一些不那么混乱，一些更混乱，我们正试图以最佳方式转变这种转变，以达到最佳时间线。因此，我们现在所处的时间线还不是最佳时间线。基本时间线已经确定，因此已经解放，但我们如何到达那里是开放的……仍然存在一些选择自由。
Galactic/Global Current Situation
银河/全球当前形势
Debra: Okay, understood. So let's move on and chat about some Galactic and global situations. What is the significance of the Sirius gateway that opened on July 7th?
黛布拉：好的，明白了。那么让我们继续讨论一些银河和全球形势。7 月 7 日开放的天狼星门户有什么意义？
Cobra: This Sirius gateway opened a very subtle, but very effective and beautiful, energy coming from the Sirius star system. After the Archon invasion in 1996, most of the energy coming from the Sirius star system was blocked. Sirius was still transmitting positive energies, but most of this was blocked. And this energy has finally, after almost three decades, managed to reach the surface of the planet. And the energy of the Sirius star system is the energy of 12:21. It is the energy of Divine Grace. What is also very significant is that the Absolute has already transmitted one part of the New Earth key on July 7th, which was absolutely not expected, but it happened already. So this was a surprising development which was very positive and was not expected.
黛布拉：这个天狼星门户开启了一种非常微妙，但非常有效和美好的能量，它来自天狼星系统。在 1996 年执政官入侵之后，来自天狼星系统的大部分能量都被阻挡了。天狼星仍在传输正能量，但其中大部分被阻挡了。在将近三十年后，这种能量终于成功到达地球表面。天狼星系统的能量就是 12:21 的能量。它是神圣恩典的能量。同样非常重要的是，绝对本源已经在 7 月 7 日传输了新地球密钥的一部分，这完全出乎意料，但它确实发生了。所以这是一个令人惊讶的进展，非常积极，而且出乎意料。
Debra: Excellent. A question about the Dragon wind that was activated last year in Asia and later in the Americas. Can you explain more about what it is and its significance, and might this take place in other continents? And I’m also curious if it's related to some of the dragon-shaped clouds that people are seeing.
黛布拉：太好了。有一个关于去年在亚洲，后来在美洲激活的龙之风的问题。您能否详细解释一下它是什么，它的意义是什么，以及它是否可能发生在其他大陆？我还很好奇这是否与人们看到的一些龙形云有关。
Cobra: The Dragon wind, which was activated, allows the free flow of etheric energy to the ley lines planetary wide. So it's not just limited to Asia and the Americas, it's flowing everywhere. So the planetary energy grid is basically ready to be activated for the planetary Ascension process. And those dragon-shaped clouds are physical manifestations of etheric Dragons, which are directing the flow of energies through those ley lines.
柯博拉：被激活的龙之风，允许以太能量自由地流向遍布行星的能量线。所以它不仅限于亚洲和美洲，它在各地流动。因此，行星能量网基本上已经准备好被激活，以进行行星扬升过程。那些龙形云是以太龙的物理显现，它们正在引导能量流过那些能量线。
Debra: That's cool. In your recent End of Darkness update, you mentioned that the Galactic Central Race in cooperation with the Galactic Confederation have begun to activate ancient Lighthouses that have been dormant. Would you please tell us more about these? Are these physical Lighthouses or energetic ones?
黛布拉：这很酷。在你们最近的《黑暗终结》更新中，你们提到银河中央赛博坦在与银河联盟合作下，已经开始激活那些处于休眠状态的古代光塔。能告诉我们更多关于这些光塔的信息吗？它们是实体的光塔还是能量形式的？
Cobra: This is a physical advanced technology which was created throughout the Galaxy by the Galactic Central Race hundreds of millions of years ago. And it was time coded for this end time. It was coded to be activated when a certain frequency is reached, and this began to happen throughout the Galaxy. And those Lighthouses actually emit very strong Light both on physical and nonphysical planes throughout the Galaxy and are preparing the Galaxy for the shift.
柯博拉：这是一种先进的物理技术，由银河中央种族在数亿年前遍布整个银河系创造。它被时间编码，用于末世。它被编码为在达到特定频率时激活，而这已开始在整个银河系发生。那些灯塔实际上在银河系的物理和非物理层面上都发出了非常强烈的光，并为银河系的转变做准备。
Debra: That's also very cool. You've stated that the second half of 2025 will become more interesting. Now that we are in that time period, what do you think may happen that will make this second half more interesting? Does it involve more disclosure or what?
黛布拉：那也很酷。你曾说过 2025 年下半年会变得更有趣。既然我们已经进入那个时间段，你认为会发生什么事情让下半年更有趣？这是否涉及更多的揭露或其他什么？
Cobra: The first thing of course is the opening of this portal, and when the portal is open, it'll reshuffle everything. It will set the new timeline, how exactly this will evolve, I don't know. But finally, I don't see any reason why things should not begin to happen which were not happening before.
柯博拉：当然，首先就是这个门户的开启，当门户开启后，一切都会被重新洗牌。它将设定新的时间线，具体如何发展，我还不知道。但最后，我看不出有什么理由让之前没有发生的事情现在不会发生。
Debra: Okay. Are there any updates to what we might expect regarding the current financial or future financial situation and how might we prepare for what's ahead? Will things become challenging, or will the energies of the portal opening make it a more smooth and easy transition?
黛布拉：好的。关于当前或未来的财务状况，我们有什么新的信息吗？我们该如何为即将到来的事情做准备？门户开启后，事情会变得困难，还是会变得更容易、更顺利？
Cobra: The current financial system is quite unstable, and the energies of the portal might destabilize it even more. The huge cosmic shift will affect the financial system for sure, and there might be drastic changes in the financial system coming in the second part of this year.
柯博拉：当前的金融体系非常不稳定，而门户开启的能量可能会让它更加不稳定。巨大的宇宙变化肯定会冲击金融体系，今年下半年可能会出现金融体系的剧烈变化。
Debra: Okay. Is there anything that we can do in preparation?
黛布拉：好的，我们有什么可以提前做的吗？
Cobra: All the instruction for preparation was given years ago, basically more than a decade ago.
柯博拉：所有准备工作的指示多年前就已给出，基本上是十多年前。
Debra: Yes, of course. Okay, so that stays the same. You spoke of a new plan by the Light Forces involving civilians. Is this still the case and, if so, will this be physical or astral? Can you explain a little bit more without compromising the information?
黛布拉：是的，当然。好的，就这样。你提到光明势力有一个涉及平民的新计划。现在情况还是这样吗？如果是，这将是物质层面的还是星光层面的？在不泄露信息的情况下，你能多解释一点吗？
Cobra: It'll definitely be physical, but I cannot divulge more at this point.
柯博拉：这肯定是身体上的，但目前我不能透露更多。
Debra: Okay, thank you. And what is the status of the Aldebarans here in human bodies? What progress have they been able to make?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。现在在人类身体里的毕宿五星人的状况如何？他们取得了什么进展？
Cobra: They're making a lot of progress. Again, this is classified, and I would say that part of operation goes according to the plan.
柯博拉：他们正在取得很大的进展。同样，这是机密，我想说行动的一部分正在按计划进行。
Debra: Very good. What is the real reason for the focus on Israel right now? Can you explain its role with dark and Light energies, including its spiritual and historical significance? It can be rather confusing to discern what's really going on with Israel.
黛布拉：非常好。现在关注以色列的真正原因是什么？你能解释一下它在光明与黑暗能量中的作用，包括它的精神和历史意义吗？辨别以色列的真实情况可能相当令人困惑。
Cobra: Okay. That region is quite active since the times of Atlantis. It was the main implantation and programming center in the time of Atlantis, and in the later part of Atlantis, it was one of the main anchors for the Dark Lodge, the dark lords of Atlantis coming from Orion. And all those people are still incarnated here in physical bodies. And the purification of Israel is coming now towards the end of the planetary liberation process. It's the time of the end game scenario.
柯博拉：好的。自从亚特兰蒂斯时代以来，那个地区就非常活跃。在亚特兰蒂斯时代，它是主要的植入和编程中心，在亚特兰蒂斯后期，它是黑暗兄弟会的主要锚点之一，来自猎户座的亚特兰蒂斯黑暗领主。所有那些人仍然以肉身化身于此。现在，以色列的净化正朝着行星解放过程的尾声而来。现在是终局场景的时刻。
Debra: Interesting. Thank you. Is Iran facing alone the combined dark military of the US and Israel, and what is true about bombing Iran's nuclear sites? Did it really happen?
黛布拉：有意思。谢谢你。伊朗是否独自面对美国和以色列联合起来的黑暗军队？关于轰炸伊朗核设施的说法是否属实？真的发生了吗？
Cobra: It did happen, but Iran removed the uranium long before the bombing happened, so there was no significant damage done and this situation looked far more dramatic than it really was. It was diffused quite efficiently.
柯博拉：这件事确实发生了，但伊朗在爆炸发生前很久就移走了铀，所以没有造成重大损失，而且情况看起来比实际情况要戏剧性得多。局势已经非常有效地缓和了。
Debra: Okay, thank you. Can you tell us what really happened in Syria with the political shift and the new people in power? And also, what is the condition of the Goddess vortex there?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢你。你能告诉我们叙利亚的政治转变和新当权者之间到底发生了什么吗？还有，那里的女神漩涡状况如何？
Cobra: This is very unfortunate. It was a so-called color revolution, which did not really help people in Syria. And the conditions of the Goddess vortex there are not really, really great. It is not completely destroyed, there are some signs of healing for the vortex, but it's not in a very good condition.
柯博拉：这非常不幸。所谓的颜色革命并没有真正帮助叙利亚人民。那里的女神漩涡状况并不是真的很好。它并没有完全被摧毁，漩涡有一些愈合的迹象，但整体状况并不理想。
Debra: Oh, that is unfortunate. Well, we will continue to send some beautiful pink Light over there in that area of the world. Did you once say that when a certain situation occurs in Turkey, we'll be close to the Event? And if so, would this be significant, like a significant and obvious situation?
黛布拉：哦，那太不幸了。好吧，我们会继续向世界那个地区发送一些美丽的粉色光芒。你是否说过，当土耳其发生某种情况时，我们就接近“事件”了？如果是这样，这会是一个重大的、显而易见的情况吗？
Cobra: This was intel coming from some of the Dragon groups and it might not be correct anymore because situations have changed. It might happen, but it's not a prerequisite, it's not a condition. It's not necessary for this to happen.
柯博拉：这是来自一些龙族团体的消息，可能不再正确，因为情况已经改变。它可能会发生，但这不是先决条件，不是必要条件。不一定非要发生这件事。
Debra: Okay, thank you. And will you update us on St. Germaine's role in leading planetary liberation?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢你。你是否会向我们更新圣哲曼在领导行星解放中的角色？
Cobra: St. Germaine is becoming more and more active. He has activated some of the Templar groups last year, especially in November and December, and he's again reactivating Templars and white nobility in some other secret positive occult groups which are assisting in the planetary liberation. And his role will become much, much more active and much more visible as time goes by.
柯博拉：圣哲曼正变得越来越活跃。他去年激活了一些圣殿骑士团，尤其是在 11 月和 12 月，并且他再次激活圣殿骑士和一些其他秘密的正面神秘组织中的白色贵族，这些组织正在协助行星解放。随着时间的推移，他的作用将变得更加活跃和更加明显。
Future Situation (Event, Ascension, First Contact, Soul Families)
未来局势（事件、扬升、第一次接触、灵魂家族）
Debra: Very good. Yes, we'll be talking more about the Templars shortly. So speaking of planetary liberation, let's discuss a topic very much on everyone's mind, and that is the Event. In your recent announcement of the 12:21 Ascension Portal opening, you said that with the subquantum anomaly out of the way, it'll become much easier for the Light Forces to deal with the planetary situation and the Event can finally become possible in a few years, months, or even weeks after this portal opens. Well, as you know, many people were upset hearing that it could still be another few years. What might we do or what needs to happen to potentially manifest the earlier timeframe?
黛布拉：很好。是的，我们稍后会更多地谈论圣殿骑士团。说到行星解放，让我们来讨论一个大家非常关心的话题，那就是“事件”（The Event）。在你最近宣布的 12:21 升维之门开启时，你说随着亚量子异常现象的解决，光之力量处理地球局势将变得容易得多，而“事件”最终可能在该之门开启后的几年、几个月甚至几周内实现。嗯，正如你所知，很多人听到可能还需要几年的消息感到很沮丧。我们可能会做些什么，或者需要发生什么，才能让时间表提前呢？
Cobra: I might be able to answer this question more precisely when more of the plan is known. So first, the portal needs to open and when the dust settles, we will know where we stand, and then I can answer this question more precisely.
柯博拉：在更多计划细节公开之前，我可能无法更准确地回答这个问题。首先，这个门必须开启，等一切尘埃落定之后，我们才能清楚地知道当前的状况，到时候我就能更准确地回答这个问题了。
Debra: Okay. Well, we look forward to that information when you're able to share that. How will the opening of the portal affect the awakening of Lightworkers and how will the awakening of humanity be affected overall? And I also would like to ask, is there a certain percentage of the surface population's awakening that is required for the Event to take place?
黛布拉：好的。我们期待您在能够分享时提供这些信息。门户的开启将如何影响光工的觉醒？又将如何影响人类整体的觉醒？我还想问一下，地表人口的觉醒是否需要达到一定的百分比才能触发事件？
Cobra: Okay. The portal opening will make the awakening of any of the surface population easier, and there are no requirements of any kind of awakening for the Event. The Event does not depend on the state of consciousness of surface humanity anymore. The plan does not require that at this point.
柯博拉：好的。门户的开启将使地表任何人的觉醒变得更容易，而且事件的发生没有任何觉醒程度的要求。事件不再依赖于地表人类的意识状态。该计划目前不需要这样。
Debra: Okay, thank you. How does the inner work and inner cleansing that people do affect the overall process of planetary liberation? And will the Light Forces help us more with this after the portal is opened?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。人们所做的内在工作和内在净化如何影响行星解放的总体进程？在门户开启之后，光之力量会更多地帮助我们吗？
Cobra: Of course, all healing and all cleansing helps, and the Light Forces will be able to help more after the portal is opened.
柯博拉：当然，所有的疗愈和净化都有帮助，一旦门户打开，光明势力将能够提供更多的帮助。
Debra: Okay, good. Will the Event occur after personal evil within the energy field of the surface humanity has been purified, or will it still occur even if personal evil within the energy field of humanity still remains?
黛布拉：好的，明白了。事件会在地表人类能量场中的个人邪恶被净化之后发生，还是即使人类能量场中的个人邪恶仍然存在，事件也会发生？
Cobra: Again, the Event does not depend on the extent of personal evil or personal anomaly being clear. This is not a factor in the timing of the Event.
柯博拉：再次说明，事件的发生并不取决于个人邪恶或个人异常是否被清除。这并不是决定事件时间的因素。
Debra: So, as you know, many Lightworkers are exhausted from years of facing challenges, especially health for many of them. Yet they do want to be strong when the Event happens so that they can best fulfill their role. You've said before that med bed healing would only be available after the Event, but could the portal opening accelerate not just emotional healing but also physical healing? And if so, will the Light Forces assist with this? How can Lightworkers help make this possible for themselves?
黛布拉：那么，正如你们所知道的，许多光之工作者多年来一直在面对各种挑战，尤其是健康问题。但他们希望在事件发生时能够保持坚强，以便更好地履行自己的角色。你们之前说过，医疗床的疗愈只能在事件之后才能使用，但门户的开启是否不仅能加速情绪上的疗愈，也能加速身体上的疗愈呢？如果是这样的话，光明势力会协助这个过程吗？光之工作者们如何才能让自己实现这一点？
Cobra: Yes, even physical healing will be easier because the physical aspect of some quantum anomaly will be gone, so it will be also easier to heal the physical body.
柯博拉：是的，甚至身体的治愈也会更容易，因为某些量子异常的物理方面将不复存在，所以治愈身体也会更容易。
Debra: Excellent, excellent. How soon after the Event will med beds be available to us? And will it be different for every person, what determines who gets priority?
黛布拉：太好了，太好了。事件发生后多久，医疗床才能供我们使用？对于每个人来说，情况会一样吗？谁能优先使用取决于什么？
Cobra: It is a matter of organizing the distribution chains and those who are in critical medical conditions will of course have priority. The distribution will begin immediately after the Event.
柯博拉：这涉及到组织分配链的问题，那些处于危急医疗状况的人当然会优先考虑。分配将在事件发生后立即开始。
Debra: Okay, very good. There are people in the awakened community talking about how it's necessary for someone to have a certain level of evolutionary consciousness to be able to use a med bed. Is this true?
黛布拉：好的，非常好。觉醒社区里有人说，一个人需要达到一定的进化意识水平才能使用医疗床。这是真的吗？
Cobra: No. No, no.
柯博拉：不，不，不。
Debra: Yes, it doesn't sound like it is true. Okay, thank you. When we are close to the Event, you said that Lightworkers will know it's close and there will be signs. So, in addition to an acceleration of intel and disclosure, can you give us a clue of what other signs we might look for?
黛布拉：是的，听起来不像真的。好的，谢谢你。你说过，当我们接近事件时，光工们会知道它临近了，会有迹象。那么，除了情报和披露的加速之外，你还能给我们提供一些其他迹象的线索吗？
Cobra: It can come from any direction. It'll be basically what you just said, an acceleration. Things will start to accelerate quite frantically, and things will begin to spin apparently out of control. It will seem like everybody's getting absolutely crazy and it'll be a very intense time, but then suddenly breakthroughs will begin to happen, which will be very fast, getting bigger and bigger, and then you will know that time is close.
柯博拉：它可以来自任何方向。基本上就像你刚才说的，是一种加速。事情会开始疯狂地加速，而且事情会开始明显地失控。看起来好像每个人都变得绝对疯狂，那将会是一个非常紧张的时期，但随后突破会突然开始发生，而且速度会非常快，越来越大，然后你就会知道时间临近了。
Debra: Okay, good, thank you. You've also indicated that the Light Forces are afraid of contacting us. Is this because of the darkness within our energy fields and will this resolve after the portal opening, especially as the darkness dissipates?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。您也提到光明势力害怕与我们接触。这是因为我们能量场中的黑暗吗？这种情况会在门户开放后得到解决吗？尤其是在黑暗消散之后？
Cobra: I would say they are less afraid than they were, but they still feel that the Lightworkers sometimes exhibit irrational and crazy behavior which they don't understand. And of course, after the portal opens, this will diminish, but still the trust needs to be built from both sides. And after the contact is made, those issues will be resolved.
柯博拉：我想说他们没有以前那么害怕了，但他们仍然觉得光工有时会表现出他们无法理解的非理性和疯狂行为。当然，门户开放后，这种情况会减少，但信任仍然需要双方建立。接触建立后，这些问题就会得到解决。
Debra: Okay, good. Yes, I know sometimes I don't think we understand some of these behaviors that people have, so that's good to hear. Can you update us on the plan that some may be physically contacted before the Event, when it's safe, and who would those people be? What would qualify a person to be contacted?
黛布拉：好的，很好。是的，我知道有时我们不理解人们的某些行为，所以听到这个消息很高兴。您能否向我们介绍一下，在安全的情况下，在事件发生前，有些人可能会被实际接触的计划，以及这些人会是谁？什么样的人有资格被接触？
Cobra: Yes, there is a plan that some people might or will be contacted before the Event. And of course, this will be the most advanced and most balanced and most sane people. And yes, of course this is possible in 2025.
柯博拉：是的，有一个计划，有些人可能或将会被事件前接触。当然，这些人将是最先进、最平衡、最理智的人。是的，当然这在 2025 年是可能的。
Debra: Very, very good. I was going to ask you that, so that's good to know. Will greater numbers of people be contacted either by the Light Forces or the Resistance Movement before the Event with instructions on what their role would be at the time of the Event?
黛布拉：非常好，非常好。我本来想问你的，所以知道这个消息很好。在“事件”发生前，是否会有更多的人被光明势力或抵抗运动联系上，并被告知他们在“事件”期间的角色？
Cobra: It'll be just a very small group of people. It will not be many.
柯博拉：那只会是一小群人。不会有很多。
Debra: Okay, good to know, thank you. A while ago we signed a petition asking positive extraterrestrials to get involved on this planet much more. What is the status of that? And what impact does the Divine Intervention Meditation have every full moon that we do?
黛布拉：好的，明白了，谢谢。前段时间我们签署了一份请愿书，要求正面的外星人更多地参与到这个星球中来。目前情况如何？以及我们每个满月所做的神圣干预冥想有什么影响？
Cobra: The fact that we have reached the critical mass for that petition creates legally a statement which is legally binding for the Light Forces. They have to intervene because we have stated our collective free will, but they have to do it in a way that is safe for the surface of humanity. I know that many people have been disappointed because the intervention did not happen after we have signed the petition. But what has happened is actually the Light Forces began to contact certain people and things went really, really wrong. For one example, they have contacted some people in Russian military hoping to create a communication bridge that would slowly begin to involve the surface population. And those Russian generals, their reaction was really, really negative. So they are now searching for direct contact with the surface population in a way that would be safe. And only when it's safe they can do that, not before.
柯博拉：我们已经为该请愿书达到了临界质量，这在法律上形成了一项具有法律约束力的声明，必须由光明势力进行干预。因为我们已经表达了集体的自由意志，但他们必须以对人类表面安全的方式进行干预。我知道很多人感到失望，因为我们在签署请愿书后，干预并没有发生。但实际上，光明势力已经开始接触某些人，但事情变得非常非常糟糕。例如，他们接触了一些俄罗斯军队的人，希望建立一个沟通桥梁，从而逐渐让地表人口参与进来。但那些俄罗斯将军的反应非常非常负面。因此，他们现在正在寻找一种对地表人口安全的方式进行直接接触。只有在确保安全的情况下，他们才能这么做，而不是在此之前。
Debra: All right. Thank you for explaining that. And I just want to circle back to the impact of the monthly Divine Intervention Meditation. Does that simply reinforce our, let's say, our will for asking for that intervention?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢你做这个解释。我只是想回到每月一次的神圣干预冥想的影响上。这是否只是强化了我们请求这种干预的意愿？
Cobra: It reinforces our collective decision and it maintains the energy for that decision.
柯博拉：它加强了我们的集体决定，并维持了这个决定的能量。
Debra: Okay, thank you. So many Lightworkers could use a boost of something tangible happening. With more and more Light Force ships now in the sublunar space, what would help us to actually see them? Does telepathically reaching out to them help? And will sightings of true Light ships be more possible after the portal opening?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。很多光之工作者都需要一些具体事件来获得支持。现在越来越多的光之舰队出现在地月空间，我们怎样才能真正看到它们呢？通过心灵感应与它们联系会有帮助吗？在门户开启之后，看到真正的光之飞船会更容易吗？
Cobra: Gradually those ships will become more and more visible. And of course, telepathic connection or energetic connection with them is the first step that always helps. And they will begin to be shown more massively only when it's safe, when enough of the surface Cabal is either blocked or cleared to allow something like that to happen.
柯博拉：这些飞船会逐渐变得越来越可见。当然，与它们进行心灵感应或能量连接总是第一步，而且通常很有帮助。只有在安全的情况下，也就是当足够多的地表“黑暗集团”被阻止或清除之后，它们才会大规模地被展示出来。
Debra: Thank you for that. Will our telepathic channels with the Light Forces, including the Ascended Masters, become more clear and pure after the portal opening? And how do you suggest we increase this communication?
黛布拉：谢谢。在门户开启之后，我们与光明势力，包括扬升大师们的灵性沟通渠道会变得更清晰和纯净吗？你建议我们如何增强这种沟通？
Cobra: Yes, they will become more clear and pure. And the number one priority is to clear and strengthen your connection with your own soul, with your own I Am presence. And then after that is done, you can start training for telepathic connection
柯博拉：是的，它们会变得更加清晰和纯净。首要任务是清理并加强你与自己灵魂、与自己“我是”意识的连接。在完成这一点之后，你就可以开始训练心灵感应的连接了。.
Debra: Okay, and what is your suggestion on how best to connect to that I Am presence?
黛布拉：好的，那你认为如何最好地与“我是”意识连接呢？
Cobra: There are many meditations, there are many techniques. You can just follow your inner guidance. There are many books with instructions. You can follow them.
柯博拉：有很多冥想方法，有很多技巧。你只需要跟随内心的指引。有很多书籍提供指导，你可以按照它们来练习。
Debra: Okay, thank you. During the Ascension Portal Activation, what will happen to the planetary Ascension vortexes? And do you have any suggestions for those who live near one?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。在扬升之门激活期间，行星的扬升漩涡会发生什么？对于住在附近的人有什么建议吗？
Cobra: Those vortexes will be greatly enhanced. They will be activated, they'll be boosted. And if you live near a vortex like that, you can count yourself very lucky.
柯博拉：那些漩涡将会大大增强。它们会被激活，会被提升。如果你住在这样的漩涡附近，那你真是非常幸运。
Debra: I would agree, yes. Thank you. So after the portal opens, will it be possible for individuals to ascend without waiting for a mass Ascension after the Event? And would it be possible to ascend in the physical body or only after death?
黛布拉：我同意你的说法，是的。谢谢。那么，门户开启之后，个人是否可以在不等待事件后集体升维的情况下进行扬升？另外，是否可以在肉体还在的时候扬升，还是只能在死后才能扬升？
Cobra: Theoretically, yes. After the portal opens, an individual can ascend even with a body without waiting for the mass Ascension. So when the portal is open, it's open, and if you are developed enough, if you are dedicated enough, you can ascend even without waiting for anything, by your own spiritual growth.
柯博拉：理论上是的。门户开启后，即使带着肉身，个人也可以扬升，而无需等待集体扬升。所以当门户开启时，它就是开启的，如果你足够成熟，如果你足够投入，你可以通过你自己的灵性成长来扬升，甚至无需等待任何事情。
Debra: Interesting. Do people have a choice in terms of when they would like to ascend? I mean they might be ready, but can they choose to stick around, so to speak?
黛布拉：有趣。人们在什么时候能够选择扬升呢？我的意思是，他们可能已经准备好了，但能否选择继续留在这里呢？
Cobra: When they're ready for Ascension, they can choose to leave their body behind and ascend without a body or they can stay in the body for a certain period of time, stay in the body, and at that point they can either transform the body or go through that process. It's up to them.
柯博拉：当他们准备好扬升的时候，他们可以选择离开身体而扬升，也可以选择继续留在身体中一段时间，在那时他们可以选择转化自己的身体，或者经历这个过程。这取决于他们自己。
Debra: Okay, thank you. So after the Event, will all people ascend in physical bodies, or some only on a soul level?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。那么在“事件”之后，所有人都是以肉体扬升，还是有些人只是在灵性层面升维？
Cobra: For the vast majority of people, it'll be Ascension with a physical body. So it'll be in the Ascension waves, the bodies will be transformed also.
柯博拉：对于绝大多数人来说，将是带着肉体的升维。也就是说，在扬升浪潮中，他们的身体也会被转化。
Debra: When we do ascend in our physical bodies, will we just disappear and appear missing?
黛布拉：当我们以肉身扬升时，我们会直接消失，然后显示为失踪人口吗？
Cobra: Exactly.
柯博拉：没错。
Debra: Would we have advanced notice? How would our loved ones know what's happened to us and will we be able to interact with those that don't ascend and vice versa?
黛布拉：我们会事先得到通知吗？我们的亲人会如何知道我们发生了什么事，我们是否能够与那些没有扬升的人互动，反之亦然？
Cobra: At that time when the Ascension waves happen, there will be much more understanding of what's going on and your loved ones will be aware of the process and they will not have a big problem with that. And the interactions will continue in various ways, if not directly, there will be technology, there will be beings of Light present on the surface of the planet that will give instructions.
柯博拉：在扬升波浪发生的时候，你们会更加了解正在发生的事情，你们的亲人也会意识到这个过程，他们不会对此有太大的困扰。即使不是直接的交流，也会有科技手段，也会有光之存在体出现在地球表面，给予指导。
Debra: Very good. How will things change for us mentally, emotionally, and physically when we ascend?
黛布拉：很好。当我们升维时，我们的心理、情感和身体会有什么变化呢？
Cobra: I would say it's a complete transformation. It releases all attachments, it releases all negativity, it releases all pain. So physical pain does not exist anymore. Emotional pain does not exist anymore. Doubts, fears, all this is gone. You will have complete clarity, and you have absolute non-interrupted connection with your I Am presence. And you will be in a state of bliss all the time.
柯博拉：我会说这是一种彻底的转变。它会释放所有的执着，所有的负面情绪，所有的痛苦。因此，身体上的痛苦将不复存在，情感上的痛苦也将不复存在。疑虑、恐惧等等都会消失。你将拥有完全的清晰度，并与“我是”存在体保持绝对不间断的连接。你将一直处于喜悦的状态。
Debra: Beautiful. So due to the planetary situation, the Ascension plan has changed several times, but as we understand it, it is again for the three waves of Ascension to take place. Is it still in the plan that we'll have a choice of what we want to do after ascending, like either go home to our star system or return to Earth in a physical body and assist those who haven't yet ascended? Can you bring a little more clarity to this, please?
黛布拉：很漂亮。由于行星状况的变化，扬升计划已经多次改变，但据我们了解，现在仍然是要经历三次升维浪潮。是否仍然在计划中，我们升维之后可以选择自己想要做的事情，比如去我们的星系家园，或者以肉体形式回到地球，帮助那些尚未升维的人？你能对此做一点更清晰的说明吗？
Cobra: Yes. The basic plan is still the same. You'll be able to go to your home star system and stay there, or you will be able to return to the surface of the planet in the physical body and assist those who are preparing for the next wave.
柯博拉：是的。基本计划仍然保持不变。你们可以选择前往自己的星系家园并留在那里，或者以肉体形式回到地球表面，帮助那些正在为下一波扬升做准备的人。
Debra: Are both an option? Could someone go to their home star system and then go to Earth and then go back? Just how now we travel from country to country, is this something that we could do after being ascended?
黛布拉：这是两个选项吗？有人可以去他们的母星系统，然后去地球，再回去吗？就像我们现在从一个国家到另一个国家旅行一样，我们升维之后是否也能这样做？
Cobra: Yes, of course, you'll have a complete freedom of movement in your Light body. You'll be able to travel from one star system to another without a problem. So you will be able to be here and go home and come back and do whatever your plan is, whatever your mission is, whatever your purpose is.
柯博拉：是的，当然，你将在你的光之身体中拥有完全的行动自由。你可以毫无困难地从一个星系旅行到另一个星系。所以你可以来这里，回家，再回来，做你计划中的任何事情，执行你的任何任务，实现你的任何目标。
Debra: Wow, what very interesting times ahead. From your perspective, what is most important for us to understand about Ascension?
黛布拉：哇，未来真是激动人心的时刻。从你的角度来看，对我们来说，理解扬升最重要的是什么？
Cobra: What is the most important to understand is that Ascension is real. It's a real process. It's not a fantasy, it's not just a concept. It's a natural consequence of human evolution to go beyond human condition. So it is something that will become very real and especially after people begin to have evidence of those who have already ascended, it'll become something natural for them. It'll become something practical for them. It'll not be just some theoretical concept. And I think this is the most important thing to understand.
柯博拉：最重要的是要明白，扬升是真实存在的。这是一个真实的过程。它不是幻想，也不是仅仅一个概念。它是人类进化超越人类状态的自然结果。因此，这将变得非常真实，尤其是当人们开始看到那些已经扬升的人的证据时，这将变得对他们来说很自然。这将变得对他们来说很实际。而不仅仅是一个理论概念。我认为这是最重要的需要理解的事情。
Debra: Yes, that is a very important thing. Thank you for sharing that. Is it still the plan that only after the Event that Islands of Light would be formed? And if so, how long after the Event might this start?
黛布拉：是的，这非常重要。感谢你的分享。只有在事件之后才会形成光之岛，这个计划仍然不变吗？如果是这样，事件发生后多久可能会开始形成光之岛？
Cobra: Yes, this will start after the Event, and I would say very soon after the Event the first one will begin to be formed.
柯博拉：是的，这将在事件之后开始，而且我想说事件发生后很快，第一个岛屿就会开始形成。
Debra: Who are the people that will be able to form Islands of Light and what would qualify someone to be able to go there? Is it based on a level of consciousness? Is it necessary to have met your soul family to go to one?
黛布拉：哪些人能够建立光之岛，以及具备什么条件的人才有资格去那里？这基于意识水平吗？是否需要与你的灵魂家族相遇才能去那里？
Cobra: Most of Islands of Light will form a soul family, so people who belong to the same soul families will start forming Islands of Light. And all of those people will need to have a certain basic understanding of the functioning of the soul families and basic ability to go beyond conflicts and basic ability to maintain constant connection with the soul. So this will only be possible after the Event.
柯博拉：大多数“光之岛”的人将会组成一个灵魂家族，因此属于同一灵魂家族的人将开始形成“光之岛”。而所有这些人需要对灵魂家族的运作有一定的基本理解，具备超越冲突的基本能力，以及与灵魂保持持续连接的基本能力。所以，这一切只有在“事件”之后才有可能实现。
Debra: Okay, thank you. How will we know who members of our soul family are and how will we find them? Will this be a natural knowing or will we be helped by our guides? And will the Light Forces and the Resistance Movement give us instructions on where each member of our soul family is? Are some of them already meeting? And will the opening of the portal help this?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。我们如何知道谁是我们的灵魂家族成员，以及我们如何找到他们？这会是一种自然的认知，还是我们的指导灵会帮助我们？光明势力和抵抗运动会给我们指示，告诉我们每个灵魂家族成员在哪里吗？他们中的一些人已经在见面了吗？门户的开放会有助于此吗？
Cobra: Those who are awake enough will have inner knowing when they meet people from their soul family, it will be a natural knowing. And of course they will have assistance from their guides. Also, the Light Forces and the Resistance Movement will give instructions whenever necessary. Some of those meetings are happening already, I would say a small percentage of them. And this will increase after the opening of the portal.
柯博拉：那些足够清醒的人在遇到灵魂家族的人时会有内在的认知，这将是一种自然的认知。当然，他们也会得到指导灵的帮助。此外，光明势力和抵抗运动会在必要时给出指示。其中一些会面已经在发生，我想说是一小部分。门户开放后，这种情况会增加。
Debra: Very good, thank you. Do our off-planet soul family members know what goes on with us on a daily basis? Our actions, thoughts, feelings?
黛布拉：非常好，谢谢。我们在地球外的灵魂家族成员是否每天都知道我们这里发生的事情？我们的行为、想法、感受？
Cobra: Especially your twin souls follow you on a daily basis. Other people from your soul family have a general understanding of your life condition and what's going on to a certain degree.
柯博拉：尤其是你的双生灵魂，他们每天都在关注你。你灵魂家族中的其他人，也在一定程度上大致了解你的生活状况和正在发生的事情。
Debra: Okay. So what about twin souls or soulmates…many are separated, so when will it be safe to meet each other and be together? And what is the percentage of soulmate/twin souls combinations where one is on Earth and the other is off planet?
黛布拉：好的。那么关于双生灵魂或灵魂伴侣……许多人是分离的，那么什么时候才能安全地相遇并在一起？灵魂伴侣/双生灵魂组合中，一个在地球上，另一个在地球外的比例是多少？
Cobra: This will become safe only after the Event. And I would say about 70% of them are separated, so one is here and the other one is on other planets; I’m speaking about twin souls now.
柯博拉：只有在事件发生后才会变得安全。我想说大约 70%的人是分离的，所以一个在这里，另一个在其他星球上；我现在说的是双生灵魂。
Debra: Right, okay. What about soulmates? I assume that's a lower number, lower percentage?
黛布拉：好的，好的。那么灵魂伴侣呢？我猜这个数字比较低，百分比较低？
Cobra: Yeah. More of them are here, yes.
柯博拉：是的。更多的人在这里，是的。
Debra: Okay. And is it possible to, before the Event, connect with a soulmate?
黛布拉：那么，在事件之前，有可能找到灵魂伴侣吗？
Cobra: It is possible. It happens in some instances. It is possible, but it's not extremely frequent.
柯博拉：这是可能的。在某些情况下会发生。虽然有可能，但并不非常频繁。
Debra: Speaking of soul families, is the Anutara star family, which includes the 144,000 beings of Light who are on the planet at this time; are they one big soul family? What is the typical size of a soul family?
黛布拉：说到灵魂家族，包括现在地球上 144000 位光之存在在内的安努塔拉星家族，他们是一个大的灵魂家族吗？通常一个灵魂家族的规模有多大？
Cobra: I would say this is one of the biggest soul families and most of them are much smaller.
柯博拉：我认为这是最大的灵魂家族之一，而大多数灵魂家族要小得多。
Debra: Okay, can you approximately tell us what size is typical?
黛布拉：好的，你能大概告诉我们通常是什么规模吗？
Cobra: It can be a few thousands, few hundreds. It varies. It's very, very varied.
柯博拉：可能是几千，几百。各不相同。非常多样化。
Debra: Okay, thank you. What is the number of Starseeds on the surface of the planet right now, and are the 144,000 different from the overall Starseeds, and if so, how?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。现在地球表面有多少星际种子？144000 人与一般的星际种子有什么不同？如果有，区别是什么？
Cobra: I would say the total number of Starseeds on the surface of the planet is between five and ten million, it depends, right now, I would say around seven or eight million. And 144,000 are a symbolic number for people of Anutara family which are more directly aligned with the planetary mission, as we'll discuss later with the Templars and with other Forces of Light.
柯博拉：我认为地球表面的星际种子总数在五百万到一千万之间，这取决于情况，现在我估计在七百万到八百万左右。144000 人是阿努塔拉家族的象征性数字，他们与地球的任务有更直接的联系，我们稍后会与圣殿骑士和其他光明势力讨论这个问题。
Debra: Very good. Yes, we'll be speaking about that very, very shortly. So approximately how many of the Starseeds are awakened? And of that, how many of the 144,000 are awakened?
黛布拉：很好。是的，我们很快就会谈到这一点。那么，大约有多少个星种已经觉醒了？其中又有多少个 144000 已经觉醒了？
Cobra: A few percent of each.
柯博拉：各自百分之几。
Debra: A few percent?
黛布拉：百分之几？
Cobra: A few percent.
柯博拉：百分之几。
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Debra: Okay, thank you. In a May update – now let's speak about the positive Templars – you said that they are a physical manifestation of the Anutara star family. So, to understand this correctly, the positive Templars are the Anutara, the 144,000? Yes?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。在五月份的更新中——现在我们来谈谈正面的圣殿骑士——你说他们是以色列星族（Anutara）的物质显现。所以，正确理解的话，正面的圣殿骑士就是以色列星族，也就是 144000 人？对吗？
Cobra: More correctly, I would say that members of Anutara star family have incarnated, have kept incarnating, in positions which allow them to join the physical positive Templars throughout incarnations.
柯博拉：更准确地说，我会说以色列星族的成员在多次转世中都投生在能够加入物质层面的正面圣殿骑士组织中的位置上。
Debra: I see. So are all positive Templars members of Anutara?
黛布拉：我明白了。所以所有正向的圣殿骑士都是安努塔拉的成员吗？
Cobra: Not so, but many of them are.
柯博拉：并非如此，但他们中的许多人是。
Debra: Okay, thank you. You also said that after June, the positive Templars will be reactivated, and at your Phoenix workshop you mentioned that the Anutara are being awakened. How is the progress going?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。你还说过，到了六月之后，正面的圣殿骑士将会重新激活，在你的凤凰工作坊中你提到安努塔拉正在被唤醒。进展如何？
Cobra: It is going slowly, but not as effectively as it was hoped.
柯博拉：进展缓慢，但效果不如预期。
Debra: What might the progress look like if someone is experiencing this awakening? And if they are, what guidance would you like to share with them?
黛布拉：如果有人正在经历这种觉醒，进展会是什么样的？如果他们正在经历，您有什么指导想与他们分享吗？
Cobra: When they awake, they connect with their soul and they activate their mission. And for some of them, that mission might get them involved with the positive Templars. So I would just say if somebody is in the process of awakening to follow their inner guidance, because their inner guidance will tell them what to do.
柯博拉：当他们醒来时，他们会与自己的灵魂连接，并激活他们的使命。对于他们中的一些人来说，这项使命可能会让他们参与到积极的圣殿骑士团中。所以我只想说，如果有人正在觉醒的过程中，请遵循他们内在的指引，因为他们内在的指引会告诉他们该怎么做。
Debra: Alright, thank you. You've advised us to connect with the essence of the Templar teachings, especially to focus on the teachings of Mary Magdalene. Can you elaborate on this and give us a true history lesson on who Mary Magdalene was, including her connection to the Templars?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。您建议我们与圣殿骑士教义的精髓联系起来，特别是要关注抹大拉的玛丽的教义。您能详细说明一下，并给我们上一堂关于抹大拉的玛丽是谁的真实历史课，包括她与圣殿骑士的联系吗？
Cobra: She was a priestess of the Goddess. She was trained in the Isis temple into the mysteries of Isis. And through her lineage, through her connection with the person that is now called Jesus, she has started a bloodline which carry the code of those Goddess teachings. And the Templars are just the vehicle to protect those mysteries. This is like a, I would say, the military force that protects the Goddess. This is the simplest description.
柯博拉：她是女神的祭司。她在爱希斯神庙接受过训练，了解爱希斯的奥秘。通过她的血统，通过她与现在被称为耶稣的人的联系，她开启了一条血脉，承载着那些女神教义的密码。而圣殿骑士只是保护这些秘密的工具。这就像一支保护女神的军队。这是最简单的描述。
Debra: Interesting. Thank you. I'm curious, is she incarnated on the planet currently?
黛布拉：很有意思。谢谢你。我很好奇，她现在是否化身在地球上？
Cobra: It is not the highest purpose to answer this question.
柯博拉：回答这个问题不是最重要的。
Debra: Yes, I understand. In the book that you recommended, “The Expected One", it discusses the marriage of Mary Magdalene and Jesus and that the three petals of the Fleur De Lis represent their three children. Is this true or are there other meanings of Fleur De Lis?
黛布拉：是的，我明白。在你推荐的书《预言中的人》中，讨论了抹大拉的玛利亚和耶稣的婚姻，以及鸢尾花的三片花瓣代表他们的三个孩子。这是真的吗？还是鸢尾花有其他的含义？
https://www.goodreads.com/series/59914-magdalene-line-trilogy
Cobra: This is a very good description of Fleur De Lis. I would say a beautiful description and it holds a lot of truth.
柯博拉：这是对 Fleur De Lis 非常准确的描述。我想说这是一个美丽的描述，并且包含了很多真相。
Debra: All right, thank you. So that book is written as historical fiction, yet much of it feels true. Can you tell us how much of the historical portion is true? For instance, are the contents of the books of Mary Magdalene that were found in the storyline accurate? And if so, how did the author know its contents? Were these books the Gospel of Mary Magdalene ever actually found, or is this part of the fictional part of the story? And also, did Jesus also have a gospel that he wrote himself?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。这本书被写成历史小说，但其中很多内容让人感觉是真实的。你能告诉我们书中历史部分有多少是真实的吗？比如，故事中提到的马利亚·玛达琳的书的内容是否准确？如果是的话，作者是怎么知道这些内容的？这些书是不是真的被发现了，还是这是故事中的虚构部分？另外，耶稣自己有没有写过一本福音书？
Cobra: Okay. I would say this book is very much true. It was written as historical fiction because this was the only way to publish a book like this without creating a lot of opposition. So a lot of what is written in the book is true, and the author had contacts within the positive Templars, and this was the way they released some information to the surface population. And yes, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene exists. And this is as much as I can say at this moment.
柯博拉：好的。我想说这本书非常真实。它被写成历史小说，是因为这是出版这样一本图书而不会引起很大反对的唯一方式。所以书中很多内容都是真实的，作者与正统的圣殿骑士团有联系，这是他们向大众公开一些信息的方式。是的，马利亚·玛达琳福音书确实存在。目前我只能说到这里。
Debra: Okay, thank you, I understand. So would you discuss the connection of the 144,000 to the Grail bloodlines that were created by the Sacred Union of King Solomon and Queen of Sheba and then later continued through the Sacred Union of Jesus and Mary Magdalene? What made these unions so powerful that they created a holy bloodline?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢，我明白了。那么，你能否谈谈 144,000 人与圣杯血统之间的联系？这些血统是由所罗门王和示巴女王的神圣结合所创造的，后来又通过耶稣和抹大拉的玛丽亚的神圣结合延续下来？是什么让这些结合如此强大，以至于创造了神圣的血统？
Cobra: Basically, the Sacred Union was a very specific ritual that invoked very high spiritual energies, and the child born through that union had certain, very specific qualities. That Sacred Union, a ritual, was done on a certain astrological date to create a maximum effect to bring that soul into the physical body. And through those connections, through those configurations, that bloodline was created. And through those teachings of the Sacred Union, and creation of the sacred bloodline with all the astrological knowledge and everything else that is related to that, this was maintained through generations within the inner circle of people who were initiated into the Goddess mysteries and were later guarded by the Templars.
柯博拉：基本上，神圣结合是一种非常特定的仪式，它唤起了非常高的灵性能量，通过这种结合诞生的孩子具有某些非常特定的品质。这种神圣的结合仪式是在特定的占星日期进行的，以达到最大的效果，将那个灵魂带入肉体中。通过这些联系和这些配置，这种血统就被创造了出来。通过这些神圣结合的教义，以及与之相关的占星知识和其他一切，这种血统在代代相传中得以维持，最初是在那些被引入女神奥秘的内部圈子中传承，后来则由圣殿骑士团守护。
Debra: Okay, thank you. And for clarity, are you saying that all members of the 144,000 are part of the Grail bloodline?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。为了明确起见，你是说 144000 的所有成员都属于圣杯血统吗？
Cobra: No, no.
柯博拉：不，不。
Debra: Thank you for that clarification. So in your WLMM interview, you discuss the purpose of the Holy Grail bloodlines, that they maintain the highest possible frequency within the human DNA and that human DNA can transmit information from the I Am presence into the physical body so that the most possible positive and most perfect archetype for the physical body can be manifested. Can you explain further what this means?
黛布拉：感谢你的澄清。所以在你的 WLMM 采访中，你提到圣杯血统的目的，它们在人类 DNA 中维持尽可能高的频率，而人类 DNA 能够将“我是”意识的信息传递到肉体中，从而在肉体中展现最积极、最完美的原型。你能进一步解释一下这是什么意思吗？
Cobra: I have just described this a little bit. So, the physical body needs to be born in a very specific time with the most favorable astrological configurations, which creates a resonance field within the physical body so it can transmit the highest possible energies. And then the soul, which is incarnated in that body, transmits those energy through training. And DNA created through that kind of Sacred Union is able to be as pure as possible and replicates as purely as possible to transmit those codes into the next generation.
柯博拉：我刚才已经稍微解释了一下。也就是说，肉体需要在非常特定的时间出生，拥有最有利的占星配置，这会在肉体中形成一个共振场，使其能够传输最高可能的能量。然后，进入这个身体的灵魂会通过训练将这些能量传递下去。通过这种神圣结合所产生的 DNA，能够尽可能纯净，并尽可能纯粹地复制，将这些能量代码传递给下一代。
Debra: Okay, thank you. Does the DNA of the 144,000 Starseeds have a role in the Event? And if so, are you able to discuss what that might be?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。144,000 个星种（Starseeds）的 DNA 在“事件”中扮演什么角色吗？如果是的话，你能够谈谈可能是什么角色吗？
Cobra: It has a role simply by trying to manifest the perfect archetype of the physical body. And all this will be greatly expanded after the Event.
柯博拉：它只是通过试图展现完美身体原型而发挥作用。而这一切在“事件”之后将会大大扩展。
Debra: Okay, thank you. Also in that interview you discussed that the Templars were persecuted on Friday the 13th, and that now every Friday the 13th carries the energy of that dark timeline. So, are people born on a Friday the 13th affected by this? Could they be more easily influenced by dark energy? And if so, what advice would you have for them?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。另外在那次采访中你提到，圣殿骑士是在 13 号星期五遭到迫害的，而现在每一个 13 号星期五都承载着那个黑暗时间线的能量。那么，出生在 13 号星期五的人是否会受到这种影响？他们是否更容易受到黑暗能量的影响？如果是的话，你对他们的建议是什么？
Cobra: They are to a certain degree affected by this, but they can do a simple clearing ritual to cut the connection between them and this Friday the 13th timeline, and they will be okay.
柯博拉：他们在一定程度上会受到影响，但他们可以做一个简单的清理仪式来切断他们与这个黑色星期五第 13 号时间线之间的连接，他们就会没事的。
Debra: And would you share what that clearing ritual is?
黛布拉：你能否分享一下那个清理仪式是什么？
Cobra: You can simply call up on the presence of Archangel Michael and ask him to sever your connection with the Friday the 13th timeline.
柯博拉：你可以简单地召唤大天使麦克（Archangel Michael）的临在，并请求他切断你与黑色星期五第 13 号时间线的连接。
Debra: Very good, thank you. Is this something that we should all do on a Friday the 13th?
黛布拉：非常好，谢谢你。这是我们都应该在黑色星期五第 13 号做的事情吗？
Cobra: If you wish.
柯博拉：如果你愿意的话。
Goddess, SOTR, Divine Feminine/Masculine
女神、SOTR（地球守护者）、神圣的女性/男性
Debra: Thank you. So, I'd like to move on and talk a little bit more about things as it relates to the Goddess, the Divine Feminine, and Sisterhood of the Rose. In March 2025, you stated that there would be a special operation of Pleiadian and Sirian fleets and the physical and nonphysical Templars to awaken the Mary Magdalene Goddess Mysteries, the Holy Grail bloodline, and teachings of Sacred Union. Can you share what that looks like and give us an update on the status of this operation?
黛布拉：谢谢。那么，我想继续谈谈与女神、神圣女性以及玫瑰姐妹会相关的一些事情。在 2025 年 3 月，你曾提到将有一项特别行动，由仙女座舰队和天狼星舰队以及物质和非物质层面的圣殿骑士参与，以唤醒玛丽亚·马格达莱娜的女神奥秘、圣杯血统以及神圣结合的教义。你能描述一下这个行动是什么样的，并向我们更新一下这项行动的进展情况吗？
Cobra: I would say that certain motherships continue to send certain frequencies to the surface population to awaken those who were taking part in those mysteries in their past incarnations for them to remember and reawaken and to connect again.
柯博拉：我想说的是，某些母舰持续向地表人口发送特定的频率，以唤醒那些在前世参与过这些神秘事物的人，让他们记起、重新觉醒并再次连接。
Debra: And I assume this will increase after the opening of the portal?
黛布拉：那我猜这个数字在门户开启后会增加？
Cobra: Yes.
柯博拉：是的。
Debra: Are there any books or authors names that could help us awaken to these three things? The Goddess Mysteries, the Holy Grail bloodline, Sacred Union?
黛布拉：有没有哪些书或者作者的名字可以帮助我们觉醒这三件事？即女神奥秘、圣杯血统和神圣结合？
Cobra: This author, Kathleen McGowan, who has written the book about which you have mentioned already has written three books with the same theme. And all three books have a very strong, very clear message about the Goddess Mysteries, about the Holy Grail, and the Sacred Union.
柯博拉：这位作者凯瑟琳·麦戈文，你之前提到的那本书的作者，她已经写了三本主题相同的书。这三本书都传达了一个非常强烈、非常清晰的信息，关于女神奥秘、圣杯以及神圣结合。
Debra: Okay, very good. Thank you. After the portal opens, will it be possible for Lightworkers to have more access to the mystery school teachings?
德布拉：好的，非常感谢。在门户开启之后，光之工作者是否能够更容易地接触到神秘学派的教导？
Cobra: After the portal opens and after certain conditions are met, those mystery schools will begin to slowly manifest again on the physical plane.
黛布拉：在门户开启并且满足某些条件之后，这些神秘学派将开始在物质界逐渐显现出来。
Debra: Interesting. How would one access that?
黛布拉：这很有趣。一个人要如何才能接触到这些呢？
Cobra: Usually now people in the 21st century, they'll access through a website.
柯博拉：现在 21 世纪的人通常通过一个网站来接触。
Debra: That is true, yes, thank you. Can you tell us more about the healing power of women's breasts related to the Goddess mysteries? What is the significance of bare breast women's representation in art, and how is art infused with Goddess energy?
黛布拉：这是真的，是的，谢谢。你能告诉我们更多关于女性乳房与女神神秘学相关的治愈力量吗？艺术中裸露乳房的女性形象有什么意义？艺术又是如何融入女神能量的？
Cobra: That healing power is basically a power of connection between the heart energy and sexual energy. And that combination can be very healing. And this is the reason why women's breasts have been represented so much in art, because subconsciously people know that this can be a healing connection.
柯博拉：这种治愈力量基本上是心轮能量和性能量之间的连接。这种结合可以非常具有治愈性。这也是为什么女性的胸部在艺术中被如此多的表现，因为人们下意识地知道这种连接可以带来治愈。
Debra: So you're saying it represents a connection between the heart and the sexual center?
黛布拉：所以你是说它代表了心脏和性中心之间的联系？
Cobra: Yes.
柯博拉：是的。
Debra: Interesting, thank you for sharing that. And of course, over the years this has gotten hidden and abused and distorted, I should say.
黛布拉：有意思，感谢分享。当然，这些年来，它被隐藏、滥用和扭曲了，我应该这么说。
Cobra: Yes, we all know. Basically I'm saying about the original purpose of the mystery schools, why they were triggering the manifestation of such art. And of course, later all this has been distorted a lot.
柯博拉：是的，我们都知道。我基本上说的是神秘学院的最初目的，它们为何会触发此类艺术的显化。当然，后来这一切都被大大扭曲了。
Debra: Yes, yes. Hopefully the New Renaissance will change all of that. So thank you. For the female Templars in the positive Templar faction, how does their connection to Goddess energy help with the Ascension Portal and Holy Grail Activation?
黛布拉：是的，是的。希望新文艺复兴能够改变这一切。谢谢你。对于正面圣殿骑士派系中的女性圣殿骑士，她们与女神能量的连接如何帮助提升门户和圣杯的激活？
Cobra: This can help a lot because some of those Templars have a strong connection with the Goddess, especially through Mary Magdalene mysteries. And that energy is very much needed before the portal activation, during the portal activation, and especially after the portal activation.
柯博拉：这会很有帮助，因为一些那些圣殿骑士与女神有很强的联系，尤其是通过抹大拉的玛丽亚之谜。而在门户激活之前、期间以及尤其是之后，这种能量是非常需要的。
Debra: Okay. So how do you suggest one builds this energy?
黛布拉：好的，那么你建议人们如何培养这种能量呢？
Cobra: People need to use their inner guidance. I cannot give one answer to everybody. It's a very individual process.
柯博拉：人们需要运用他们内在的指引。我无法给每个人一个统一的答案。这是一个非常个人化的过程。
Debra: Okay, understood. So I'd like to ask, what is the connection between King Solomon and Goddess Asherah, and what can you tell us about this Goddess, who was considered the Wife of God and The Lost Goddess because her story has been hidden. Is there a connection of the holy bloodline to her?
黛布拉：好的，我明白了。我想问一下，所罗门王和女神亚舍拉之间有什么联系？你能告诉我们一些关于这位女神的情况吗？她被认为是上帝的妻子，也被称作“失落的女神”，因为她的故事被隐藏了。有没有与圣血统的联系？
Cobra: Goddess Asherah was one of the main Goddesses when King Solomon was alive at that time, she was the main Goddess that he connected to and there were temples of her mysteries and, of course, he was initiated. She became The Lost Goddess because she was suppressed, her connection, her temples were destroyed like everywhere else. And through the archetype of King Solomon, the holy bloodline is connected with Goddess Asherah.
柯博拉：女神亚舍拉是所罗门王在世时的主要女神之一，她是所罗门王所连接的主要女神，当时有她的神秘神庙，当然，他也曾接受过她的启蒙。她成为“失落的女神”，是因为她被压制，她的联系被切断，她的神庙也被摧毁，就像其他地方一样。通过所罗门王的原型，圣血统与女神亚舍拉有了联系。
Debra: Okay, thank you. Also curious, is she incarnated on the planet at this time?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。还有一个好奇的问题，她现在是否在这个星球上转世了？
Cobra: No, no. She's an Ascended being.
柯博拉：不，不是。她是一个已经扬升的存在。
Debra: Understood. How about any of her priestesses?
黛布拉：明白了。那她的任何女祭司呢？
Cobra: There are a few of her priestesses, but not that many.
柯博拉：她有一些女祭司，但没那么多。
Debra: Okay, thank you. Would you discuss the Knight's Templars' ties to the Sisterhood of the Rose, and how do these ties help with planetary liberation? And also what challenges do they face?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。你能谈谈圣殿骑士团与蔷薇圣女的联系，以及这种联系如何有助于星球的解放吗？另外，他们面临哪些挑战？
Cobra: There is a connection. I would say that the inner core of the Templars is aware of the Sisterhood of the Rose and there is a spiritual connection which is quite strong and that connection can help a lot in the coming changes.
柯博拉：他们之间是有联系的。我认为圣殿骑士团的核心内部人员已经了解蔷薇圣女团，他们之间有一种相当强烈的灵性联系，这种联系在即将到来的变革中将起到很大作用。
Debra: Okay, very good. Any challenges that they face and how to overcome?
黛布拉：好的，非常好。他们面临哪些挑战，又该如何克服呢？
Cobra: There are always challenges before the darkness is defeated and the challenges are, generally speaking, all the same. But individually speaking, there is a great variety and people need to use their guidance to overcome those challenges.
柯博拉：在黑暗被击败之前总会存在挑战，而且总的来说，这些挑战都是一样的。但具体来说，挑战又有很多种，人们需要运用自己的指导来克服这些挑战。
Debra: Alright, thank you. What is the current state of Sisterhood of the Rose groups? How well are the meditations currently helping the general frequency and energies on the surface of the planet?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。目前玫瑰姐妹团的状况如何？冥想对地表行星的整体频率和能量的帮助有多大？
Cobra: Many groups are dormant, some of them are still active. It's not actually the best situation, but those who are active need to continue because they are key groups that anchor the Light of the Goddess and Love of the Goddess on the surface of the planet. And those energies are very much needed.
柯博拉：许多团体都处于休眠状态，有些团体仍然活跃。实际上情况并不是最好的，但那些活跃的团体需要继续下去，因为她们是锚定女神之光和女神之爱在地表行星上的关键团体。而这些能量是非常需要的。
Debra: Yes, thank you. Are there any specific or additional meditations or activities recommended for Sisterhood of the Rose groups prior to the portal activation? And what about after? What will be the role in activities of the Sisterhood of the Rose? What will be different, if anything?
黛布拉：是的，谢谢。在门户激活之前，是否有任何特定的或额外的冥想或活动推荐给蔷薇圣女团的小组？之后呢？蔷薇圣女团的活动角色会是什么？会有什么不同吗？
Cobra: This can stay the same after the portal opens. Of course, it'll be easier for the Sisterhood of the Rose groups to function and to operate.
柯博拉：这个在传送门开启后可以保持不变。当然，这样“蔷薇圣女”组织会更容易运作和开展工作。
Debra: Okay, thank you. Anything that can be done prior to the activation to help it be stronger?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。在激活之前有什么事情可以做，以让它更强大吗？
Cobra: Just use your inner guidance. If you have guidance to do something , you can do.
柯博拉：只要依靠你们的内在指引。如果你们有指引去做某件事，就可以去做。
Debra: Okay, thank you. Will the portal opening at Versailles send the energy strongly along the Goddess equator? And also, if a person lives near it, would they feel the energy flowing along it? And if so, how close would they have to be?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。凡尔赛的门户开启后，是否会在女神赤道上产生强烈的能量？另外，如果有人住在附近，他们会感觉到能量沿着那里流动吗？如果会的话，他们需要离得多近才能感受到？
Cobra: Yes. That portal opening at the Versailles will send strong energies along the Goddess equator. And if you live there, I would say 100 miles within the exact line of the equator, you might feel that.
柯博拉：是的。凡尔赛的那个门户开启将会沿着女神纬线释放强大的能量。如果你住在那条纬线附近，比如说精确的赤道线周围 100 英里内，你可能会感受到这种能量。
Debra: Interesting. We know that an activation of Dragon ley lines and Goddess ley lines has been ongoing. How is this happening and how is it connected to the rise of the Divine Masculine and the return of the Goddess? And what can the Divine Feminine do to support this activation?
黛布拉：很有趣。我们知道龙脉线和女神脉线的激活一直在进行中。这是如何发生的？它和神圣阳性的崛起以及女神的回归有什么联系？而神圣女性能做些什么来支持这种激活呢？
Cobra: The activation of Dragon ley lines means that the situation has been evolved enough for the Divine Masculine to be finally anchored on the surface of the planet. And the energy of Divine Masculine is the energy of action. It's the energy of physical intervention and the role of Divine Feminine is just to create a healing support field for that activity, that action to happen.
柯博拉：龙脉的激活意味着情况已经发展到足够程度，使得神圣阳性终于能够在地球表面被锚定下来。神圣阳性的能量是行动的能量，是物理干预的能量。而神圣女性的角色则是为这种行动创造一个疗愈支持场。
Debra: Alright, thank you. There's been a great increase in solar activity since the Light Forces reduced the activity of the multidimensional Dyson sphere around the sun in May of 2024. Will you give us an overview of the results of those energies reaching the surface of the planet? And does this include increasing Divine Masculine energy?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。自从 2024 年 5 月光之力量降低了围绕太阳的多维戴森球的活动以来，太阳活动有了显著增加。你能给我们一个概述，说明这些能量到达地球表面后的结果吗？这是否包括神圣阳性的能量增加？
Cobra: Okay. The solar activity since the beginning of last year has been quite intense, and this has cleared a lot of anomaly, and this has basically opened the way for the activation of the Dragon ley lines last year. And for this reason, the Divine Masculine is more present. And for this reason, I'm expecting to have a physical intervention soon.
柯博拉：好的。自去年年初以来，太阳活动非常强烈，这已经清除了很多异常现象，并且基本上为去年激活龙脉打开了通道。因此，神圣阳性能量更加显现。鉴于此，我预计很快会有物质层面的干预。
Debra: I'm sorry, could you repeat that last part about physical intervention?
黛布拉：抱歉，你能再重复一下关于身体干预的那部分吗？
Cobra: For this reason, I'm expecting a physical intervention quite soon.
柯博拉：因此，我预计很快就会有身体上的干预。
Debra: Okay, wonderful. Thank you. Would you discuss the characteristics of the Divine Masculine and its importance at this time?
黛布拉：好的，太好了。谢谢。你能谈谈神圣阳性的特质及其在当前的重要性吗？
Cobra: The Divine Masculine is the energy of the hero. It is the energy of a person who takes action in the face of injustice and begins to change things.
柯博拉：神圣阳性的能量是英雄的能量。这是面对不公时采取行动并开始改变事物的人的能量。
Debra: Powerful. You've said that the main key for planetary healing is women allowing themselves to feel and express their sexual energy. Would you please give us ideas on how we might do this? Both for those with a partner and for those without one?
黛布拉：非常强大。您说过行星疗愈的关键是女性允许自己感受和表达性能量。您能否给我们一些关于如何做到这一点的建议？包括对于有伴侣和没有伴侣的人？
Cobra: It doesn't matter if you have a partner or not. What is important is to give yourself permission to feel that energy and express it in any way it’s safe for you. But the most important thing is your own inner permission for that.
柯博拉：有没有伴侣并不重要。重要的是允许自己去感受那种能量，并以任何对你来说安全的方式表达它。但最重要的是你内在的允许。
Debra: Inner permission, that makes sense. Alright, thank you for clarifying that. Is it possible to reach Divine union with a person who was not a soulmate or twin soul?
黛布拉：内在的允许，这很有道理。好的，谢谢你澄清这一点。是否有可能与一个不是灵魂伴侣或双生灵魂的人达到神圣结合？
Cobra: It is possible, but not so easy as with a soulmate or even twin soul.
柯博拉：这是有可能的，但不如与灵魂伴侣甚至双生灵魂那么容易。
Debra: Understood. As Divine Feminine and Masculine beings, in what ways can we embody healthy sexual energy?
黛布拉：明白了。作为神圣的女性和男性，我们应该如何体现健康的性能量？
Cobra: By connecting the heart with the sexual energy, by unifying those and expressing them in a safe way.
柯博拉：将心与性能量连接，将两者统一，并以安全的方式表达出来。
Debra: Yes, okay, thank you. And what about how to embody unconditional loving sexual energy? You've also mentioned this is important.
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。那么如何体现无条件的爱的性能量呢？您也提到这很重要。
Cobra: Here I will just leave you with the key of meditating upon that word: Unconditional loving sexual energy. And when there is enough awareness of this on the surface of the planet, there might be further instructions given.
柯博拉：在这里，我只想留给你们冥想这个词的关键：无条件的爱的性能量。当地球表面对此有足够的认识时，可能会给出进一步的指示。
Debra: Okay, thank you. Why is it important for us to begin healing our sexual wounds at this time? And how do you best suggest we do this?
德布拉：好的，谢谢。为什么现在对我们来说开始治愈性创伤如此重要？你最好建议我们如何做呢？
Cobra: It is important to be aware of those wounds and to be loving towards yourself and have patience with yourself.
柯博拉：要意识到这些伤痛，对自己要充满爱，并且对自己要有耐心。
Debra: Yes, understood. For those not yet experiencing kundalini energy, how will the opening of the portal lead to the awakening of this energy? And for those who are experiencing a rise in this energy, how can they best integrate it?
黛布拉：好的，明白了。对于那些尚未体验到昆达里尼能量的人来说，门户的开启将如何引导这种能量的觉醒？对于那些正在体验这种能量上升的人来说，他们如何才能最好地整合它？
Cobra: It'll become easier to activate the kundalini energy. It'll be a natural process. It is not advised to artificially try to trigger that energy because that might be dangerous. This energy is really strong, so it is best to leave this to be a natural process.
柯博拉：激活昆达里尼能量会变得更容易。这将是一个自然的过程。不建议人为地试图触发这种能量，因为这可能很危险。这种能量非常强大，所以最好让它成为一个自然的过程。
Healing
疗愈
Debra: Understood, so it happens when it happens. Now I'd like to, for our last section, speak about some healing topics. At the Paris workshop, you stated that many people have not let go of their trauma and belief systems, and that after the Ascension Portal is opened, humans should take the initiative to use their free will to let go of their past and cut off the entanglement between themselves and the abnormal. Would you please give us advice on how best to do this?
黛布拉：明白了，所以它发生的时候就会发生。现在，我想在最后一个环节谈谈一些关于疗愈的话题。在巴黎的研讨会上，您提到很多人还没有放下他们的创伤和信仰体系，并且在扬升门户开启后，人类应该主动运用他们的自由意志来放下他们的过去，切断自己与异常之间的纠缠。您能否给我们一些关于如何最好地做到这一点的建议？
Cobra: It is simply to have a willingness to release the past, to release old grudges, resentments, old pain, to go beyond.
柯博拉：这仅仅是愿意放下过去，放下旧的积怨、怨恨、旧的伤痛，超越它们。
Debra: Okay, thank you. In that workshop, you also mentioned that starting on June 23rd, Bubbles of Paradise, which are energy fields that are completely free of abnormalities and distortion, suddenly began to appear in remote areas around the world. And you encourage people to go deep into nature where there are no other people within a 30-meter radius. Do these occur in all areas without people or just certain areas? How would we know that we are experiencing this? Are they physical bubbles we could actually see or etheric ones we feel?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢。在那个研讨会上，你还提到，从 6 月 23 日起，名为“天堂之泡”的能量场突然出现在世界各地的偏僻地区，这些能量场完全没有任何异常和扭曲。你还鼓励人们去到自然深处，那里 30 米半径内没有其他人。这些能量场是在所有无人区域出现，还是只在某些特定区域出现？我们怎么知道自己正在经历这些现象呢？它们是肉眼可见的物理气泡，还是我们只能感受到的以太气泡？
Cobra: These do not occur in all areas. They occur spontaneously without knowing before, they're quite unexpected. They're not physical bubbles. It is an energy field, which you can feel definitely as something really beautiful.
柯博拉：这些气泡并不是在所有无人区域都会出现。它们是自发出现的，在出现之前人们并不知道，它们相当意外。这些不是物理气泡，而是一种能量场，你可以明显地感受到它，那种感觉非常美好。
Debra: So you said spontaneously. Is this dependent on the person that is in that empty space? Is it on their consciousness? Does their consciousness create these bubbles?
黛布拉：你说它们是自发出现的。那这是否取决于处在空旷空间中的人？是否与他们的意识有关？他们的意识会创造出这些气泡吗？
Cobra: These bubbles are created by the Light Forces. And this is a very complex equation. There are many factors which determine where and how and when those bubbles will appear.
柯博拉：这些气泡是由光明势力创造的。这是一个非常复杂的机制。有很多因素决定了它们会在哪里、以什么方式以及何时出现。
Debra: Do these bubbles offer any healing, either physical or emotional?
黛布拉：这些气泡在身体或情感上有没有治愈作用？
Cobra: Yes, absolutely.
柯博拉：有，绝对有。
Debra: Very good. You say that big cities do not have the conditions for the formation of these bubbles. But what if someone is in a city and they were able to find a nature area without people for 30 meters, like a deserted park, would they potentially be able to experience a paradise bubble?
黛布拉：很好。你说大城市不适合这些气泡的形成。但如果有人在城市里，他们能找到一个 30 米范围内没有人的自然区域，比如一个荒废的公园，他们是否有可能体验到天堂气泡？
Cobra: Theoretically, yes, but it's less likely.
柯博拉：理论上是的，但可能性较小。
Debra: Okay. Assuming these will potentially increase after the opening of the Ascension Portal?
黛布拉：好的。假设在“扬升之门”开启之后，这些情况可能会增加？
Cobra: Yes, that is expected.
柯博拉：是的，这是可以预期的。
Debra: Thank you. Also, in that workshop you stated, our shadows try to regularly provoke us to press on our weak points to destabilize us. You've spoken previously about the importance of Lightworkers doing shadow work, yet it's been a stubborn thing for most to resolve. How will this process change after the portal opening with more of our free will intact, and what steps do you recommend for us to take after to accelerate this process?
黛布拉：谢谢。另外，在那次研讨会上你提到，我们的阴影会经常试图刺激我们去触动我们的弱点，从而让我们不稳定。你之前也谈到过光之工作者进行阴影工作的重要性，但大多数人一直很难解决这个问题。在门户开启之后，我们的自由意志更加完整的情况下，这个过程会有什么变化？你建议我们之后采取哪些步骤来加速这个过程？
Cobra: It'll become much easier because the Lurker will not interfere with the process all the time. So the key will be your free will. If you're willing to do it, you'll be able to do it.
柯博拉：这会变得容易得多，因为“潜伏者”将不会一直干扰这个过程。因此，关键在于你们的自由意志。如果你们愿意去做，你们就能够做到。
Debra: Thank you. After the opening of the portal, will tachyons easily be able to flow to Earth to help improve the planetary energy conditions?
黛布拉：谢谢。在传送门开启之后，超光速粒子（tachyons）是否很容易就能流向地球，以帮助改善地球的行星能量状况？
Cobra: To a certain small degree, yes, but there will still be the HAARP technology, which has not been removed yet. And the HAARP technology still influences the ionosphere, and ionosphere is the layer which absorbs the tachyons. So, the general conditions will not be resolved before the Cabal is gone.
柯博拉：在一定程度上是的，但 HAARP 技术还没有被移除。而 HAARP 技术仍然会影响电离层，电离层是吸收超光速粒子的那层大气。因此，在阴谋集团消失之前，整体状况不会得到解决。
Debra: Interesting. Understood, thank you. This question is about the importance of facing the truth, even when it is difficult or dark. People think it will lower their frequency because a lot of the truth is disturbing, so they just stay “loving” but don't want to face the truth. My question is, as a Lightworker, how important is it to face the truth?
黛布拉：有趣。明白了，谢谢。这个问题是关于面对真相的重要性，即使真相很难或很黑暗。人们认为很多真相会降低他们的频率，所以他们选择保持“爱”，但不想面对真相。我的问题是，作为光之工作者（Lightworker），面对真相有多重要？
Cobra: It is very important, because by facing the truth, you actually raise your vibrational frequency. The truth is already there. If you deny it, you basically create a block and that block lowers the vibrational frequency. The truth is already there, even if you don't want to see, it's there present around you and also within your energy field. So by facing the truth, you integrate the truth and you actually raise the vibrational frequency.
柯博拉：这非常重要，因为直面真相实际上可以提高你的振动频率。真相一直都在那里。如果你否认它，你基本上就制造了一个障碍，而这个障碍会降低振动频率。真相一直都在那里，即使你不想看到，它也存在于你的周围以及你的能量场中。因此，通过直面真相，你整合了真相，实际上提高了振动频率。
Debra: Thank you for explaining that. That is very important to understand. So speaking of truth, when will disclosure start to ramp up and how do we best deal with the negative emotions it may bring either within ourselves or others?
黛布拉：谢谢你做这个解释。这一点非常重要，需要理解清楚。说到真相，什么时候披露会开始加速？我们该如何最好地处理它可能带来的负面情绪，无论是我们自己还是他人？
Cobra: Disclosure will begin to ramp up when the whistleblowers will have enough courage to start releasing information. And you might need to have some time to process whatever is being released, and when you go through the process, it will not be that difficult. It will be something that can be challenging, but it'll not be overly difficult.
柯博拉：当爆料者有足够的勇气开始发布信息时，披露就会开始加速。你可能需要一些时间来消化所发布的内容，但当你经历这个过程时，它不会那么困难。这可能会有挑战性，但不会过于困难。
Debra: Okay, thank you. In your recent WLMM interview, you said that after the portal opening, it will be much easier to practice the law of manifestation. By doing the three-step manifestation process (decision, invocation, and physical action) that you often discuss, will it be easier in general for Lightworkers on the surface to achieve material and spiritual abundance?
黛布拉：好的，谢谢你。在你最近的 WLMM 采访中，你说在门户开启之后，实践显现法则会变得容易得多。通过你经常提到的三步显现过程（决定、召唤和实际行动），总体来说，地表上的光之工作者是否更容易实现物质和精神上的丰盛？
Cobra: Yes. If you really keep practicing this three-step manifestation process.
柯博拉：是的。如果你真的坚持练习这个三步显化流程。
Debra: Thank you. You also discuss considering the manifestation vortex as a Light cone and consciously creating a Light cone by doing the Goddess Vortex meditation. For clarity, is it a good idea to visualize our ideal future while doing the Goddess Vortex to help manifest it?
黛布拉：谢谢。你们也提到将显现漩涡视为光锥，并通过进行女神漩涡冥想有意识地创造一个光锥。为了更清晰，我们在做女神漩涡冥想时，想象我们理想中的未来是不是一个好主意？
Cobra: You can do that, yes.
柯博拉：是的，你可以这样做。
Debra: Thank you. Also, in the interview you indicate that surface humanity can actively anchor the Emerald Light and can directly visualize the Emerald Light purifying all anomalies in Earth's energetic planes. So how do we invoke the Emerald Flame from the Source? And in which direction would we visualize – clockwise or counterclockwise?
黛布拉：谢谢。另外，在采访中你提到，表面的人性可以主动锚定绿焰，并可以直接可视化绿焰净化地球能量层面的所有异常。那么我们如何从源头召唤绿焰？我们在哪个方向进行可视化——顺时针还是逆时针？
Cobra: You can just visualize the Emerald Flame coming from the sky, going through you or whatever you wish to clear in a counterclockwise direction, purifying everything and dissolving, purifying all the anomaly and dissolving.
黛布拉：你可以想象翠绿火焰从天而降，穿过你，或者穿过任何你想要清理的东西，以逆时针方向，净化一切，溶解一切，净化所有的异常，并溶解。
Debra: What's the difference between the Violet Fame and Emerald Flame, and when would we use each one?
黛布拉：紫罗兰火焰和翡翠火焰有什么区别，我们什么时候应该使用哪一个？
Cobra: The Violet Flame is, I would say, the standard original procedure to clear the anomaly, to clear the darkness. The Emerald Flame has a higher frequency and is more specific and is more suitable for this time. It's a more precise tool, but both of them are very effective.
柯博拉：紫罗兰火焰，我想说，是清除异常、清除黑暗的标准原始程序。翡翠火焰具有更高的频率，更具体，更适合这个时代。它是一种更精确的工具，但两者都非常有效。
Debra: And the Emerald Flame is more specific for what?
黛布拉：那么翡翠火焰更具体地用于什么？
Cobra: It is more specific for removal of the anomaly and more specific to bring certain energies which are needed for the planetary liberation itself.
柯博拉：它对于消除异常现象更加具体，也更能带来行星解放本身所需的某些能量。
Debra: Thank you for clarifying that. You discussed anchoring the Emerald Light while visualizing the star code 11:11:83 to help us remember our life missions more quickly. So many Starseeds aren't aware of this code. What can you tell us about it?
黛布拉：谢谢你做这个澄清。你之前提到在想象星码 11:11:83 的时候，锚定绿光有助于我们更快地回忆起自己的生命使命。很多星种（Starseeds）并不知道这个代码。你能告诉我们一些关于它的信息吗？
Cobra: I can tell you nothing about this code. If you know where to find information about this, you're welcome to study it. If you don't know, then it's not time for you yet.
柯博拉：我无法告诉你关于这个代码的任何信息。如果你知道在哪里可以找到相关的信息，欢迎你去研究。如果你不知道，那说明现在还不是你了解它的时候。
Debra: Understood, thank you. So, you had also discussed organic pumpkin seed oil from Earth as having a value to extraterrestrial races due to its healing effects. Is it suggested that we also use this and what benefit is it to humans?
黛布拉：明白了，谢谢你。那么，你之前也提到过地球上的有机南瓜籽油对外星种族有某种价值，因为它具有治愈效果。是否建议我们也使用它，以及它对人类有什么好处呢？
Cobra: Of course, it is beneficial for humans also. And the exact way for using this, you need to ask people who are experts in diet for the surface humanity.
柯博拉：当然，这对人类也有好处。至于具体如何使用，你需要去问那些研究人类饮食的专家。
Debra: What about eating pumpkin seeds, are they beneficial in the same way?
黛布拉：那吃南瓜子呢？它们也有同样的好处吗？
Cobra: Can be, yes.
柯博拉：也可以，是的。
Debra: And they're very good for you too, thank you. Are sacred plant medicines that are being used in ceremonies from the natives in Americas such as ayahuasca, peyote, and psilocybin given to humanity from the extraterrestrial races to help humanity heal trauma and communicate with the higher consciousness? And how does participating in these ceremonies or using these medicines help with the energy around the planet and also with the healing of the individual?
柯博拉：它们对你也很有益，谢谢。美洲原住民在仪式中使用的神圣植物药物，比如雅维斯卡（ayahuasca）、仙人掌（peyote）和裸盖菇素（psilocybin），是不是来自外星种族，用来帮助人类治愈创伤并与更高意识沟通？参与这些仪式或使用这些药物，是如何影响地球周围的能量以及个人的疗愈的？
Cobra: This is a tricky situation because sacred plants can be very healing and beneficial if the ceremony is guided by a very skillful and experienced shaman. But a lot of this has been infiltrated by the dark forces. So, use of sacred plants is only advisable for people who exactly know what they're doing, or they have exact guidance what to do and how to do. And those plants were given to humanity by many extraterrestrial races. Some of it was done for good purposes, some of it was done for not so good purposes. So it's a mixed situation.
柯博拉：这是一个棘手的情况，因为如果仪式由一位非常熟练和有经验的萨满来引导，神圣的植物可以非常有益和具有治愈作用。但很多这种做法已经被黑暗势力渗透了。因此，只有那些确切知道他们在做什么的人，或者有明确指导知道该做什么和如何做的人，才建议使用这些神圣植物。这些植物是许多外星种族给予人类的。其中一些是出于好的目的，而有些则不是那么好的目的。所以这是一个复杂的情况。
Debra: Thank you for explaining that. Can we expect Pleiadian protocols such as Command 12:21 for support and Command 771 for emotional healing to become even more effective after the portal opening? And will the ATVOR Light pillar meditation be strengthened?
黛布拉：感谢您的解释。我们可以期待昴宿星人协议，例如用于支持的“12:21 指令”和用于情绪疗愈的“771 指令”在门户开放后变得更加有效吗？ATVOR 光柱冥想会得到加强吗？
Cobra: Yes, yes, and yes for both questions.
柯博拉：是的，是的，两个问题的答案都是肯定的。
Debra: Alright. Is there a plan for a command protocol for physical healing?
黛布拉：好的。是否有针对身体疗愈的指令协议计划？
Cobra: There is already a command for removal of physical pain, but for a complete physical healing, we will need physical healing devices such as med beds and other technologies.
柯博拉：已经有一个用于消除身体疼痛的指令，但要实现完整的身体疗愈，我们需要物理疗愈设备，例如医疗床和其他技术。
Debra: Thank you for that clarity. Is there a chakra that Lightworkers should prioritize in healing with highest importance? And will our chakras become easier to heal after the portal opening?
黛布拉：谢谢你给出的清晰解释。有没有哪个脉轮是光之工作者在疗愈中应该优先重视的？在门户开启之后，我们的脉轮会更容易疗愈吗？
Cobra: Again, this is a very individual situation because each individual human has individual circumstances. But basically speaking, the crown chakra is very important because people need connection with their higher self. And of course this will be easier to heal after the portal opens.
柯博拉：再次说明，这取决于每个人的具体情况，因为每个人的情况都是不同的。但一般来说，顶轮非常重要，因为人们需要与自己的更高自我建立连接。当然，门户开启之后，疗愈脉轮会更容易。
Debra: What are the three most important things to heal within ourselves to align with the new powerful coming energies?
黛布拉：为了与即将到来的强大力量对齐，我们需要在自己内部修复的三件最重要的事情是什么？
Cobra: The first one, of course, is the exercise of free will. The second one is connection with your higher self, with your soul. And the third one is forgiveness.
柯博拉：当然，第一个是自由意志的运用。第二个是与你的更高自我、与你的灵魂建立连接。第三个是宽恕。
Debra: Thank you. How can we best prepare ourselves for the upcoming Ascension Portal Activation between now then? What is your guidance for Lightworkers?
黛布拉：谢谢。我们如何最好地为现在到那时之间的即将到来的“升维之门激活”做准备？您对光之工作者有什么建议？
Cobra: The first thing is to understand the importance of this activation and then do whatever you can in whichever way you feel guided to share this information with those who might be open to receive it. And together we can finally make a difference, make a change. We can participate in this huge energetic transition to the next level.
柯博拉：首先，要理解这次激活的重要性，然后以你感受到的引导方式，尽你所能去与那些可能愿意接受这个信息的人分享。这样，我们就能最终带来改变，产生影响。我们可以参与这次巨大的能量转变，进入下一个层次。
Debra: Yes, thank you. And I would also like to add that I think it's important for Lightworkers to continue to work on their own healing themselves and to resolve conflicts and stand together; that we really do have a responsibility to do our ongoing healing work so that we can better support each other and so that we can all better hold the Light.
黛布拉：是的，谢谢。我想补充的是，我认为对光之工作者来说，继续关注自身的疗愈和解决冲突非常重要，大家要团结一致；我们确实有责任持续进行自我疗愈，这样我们才能更好地支持彼此，并且更好地承载光。
So, as we close this interview, I would like to remind everyone about the important global meditations that are coming up in August to support this once-in-a-lifetime Ascension Portal Activation. Those are scheduled for August 12th at 5:30 AM UTC, August 18th at 7:25 AM UTC, and August 21st at 9:02 AM UTC. We encourage people to check out Cobra's blog at 2012portal.blogspot.com, as well as the We Love Mass Meditation website at welovemassmeditation.com for more information and more updates on this very important event. I want to remind people that the more people that participate, the more powerful the results will be. We are definitely stronger together. It is our collective Light that is needed at this pivotal time in the history of the planet, and even the universe.
那么，在结束这次采访之际，我想提醒大家，8 月份即将举行重要的全球冥想，以支持这千载难逢的扬升门户激活。这些冥想安排在世界标准时间 8 月 12 日凌晨 5:30、世界标准时间 8 月 18 日上午 7:25 和世界标准时间 8 月 21 日上午 9:02。我们鼓励大家查看 Cobra 的博客 2012portal.blogspot.com，以及集体冥想爱好者网站 welovemassmeditation.com，以获取更多信息和关于这个非常重要事件的更多更新。我想提醒大家，参与的人越多，结果就越强大。我们在一起绝对更强大。在这个星球，甚至宇宙历史的关键时刻，我们需要我们集体的光。
And so again, as we close this interview, Cobra, do you have any closing thoughts, things you'd like to say? Any words of inspiration for us?
那么，再次在本次采访结束时，柯博拉，你有什么最后的想法想对我们说吗？有什么激励的话想说吗？
Cobra: I would like to encourage everybody to participate; and I would especially like to encourage everybody to connect with their soul, with their higher self, and listen to their inner guidance. And of course, Victory of the Light.
柯博拉：我想鼓励每个人参与；我尤其想鼓励每个人与自己的灵魂、更高的自我连接，并倾听内在的指引。当然，光之胜利。
Debra: Thank you, Cobra. Thank you so much for this inspiration.
黛布拉：谢谢你，柯博拉。非常感谢你带来的启发。
I would also like to thank the beautiful souls who helped support this interview, and especially to you, Cobra, for joining this interview. We truly appreciate the information that you share and your continued strength to hold the Light for humanity. Thank you again.
我也想感谢那些帮助支持这次采访的美丽灵魂，特别是感谢你，柯博拉，参加这次采访。我们真的非常感激你所分享的信息，以及你持续为人类守护光明的坚强意志。再次谢谢你。
Cobra: You're welcome. Thank you very much.
柯博拉：不客气。非常感谢。
Debra: Yes, and Victory of the Light!
黛布拉：是的，光明的胜利！
Cobra: Victory of the Light!
柯博拉：光的胜利！
For more Cobra information, please visit: 2012portal.blogspot.com
有关更多柯博拉信息，请访问：2012portal.blogspot.com
For more information about Sisterhood of the Rose, please visit: sisterhoodoftherose.network
欲了解更多关于蔷薇圣女团的信息，请访问：sisterhoodoftherose.network
来源：https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2025/07/sisterhood-of-rose-interview-with-cobra-1221-asscension-portal-activation.html?m=1
