柯博拉访谈｜2021/12/4 蔷薇圣女团采访柯博拉“神圣介入激活”

摘要

蔷薇圣女团组织了一次对 Cobra 的采访，主题是本月发生的神圣介入激活冥想的重要性。

Sisterhood of the Rose organized an interview with Cobra about the importance of the Divine Intervention Activation taking place this month.

蔷薇圣女团组织了一次对 Cobra 的采访，主题是本月发生的神圣介入激活冥想的重要性。

In this interview,Cobra and Debra,a leader with the Sisterhood of the Rose Planetary Network,discuss how the Divine Intervention Activation is a two-step process,involving a global mass meditation on the December 21st solstice,and the signing of the Planetary Liberation petition.

在这次采访中，Cobra 和行星蔷薇圣女团的负责人黛布拉讨论了如何将神圣介入激活分为两个步骤，包括在12月21日至日进行全球性的大规模冥想，以及签署行星解放请愿书。

This two-step trigger will have the maximum effect on the planetary situation possible!

这两步触发将对行星情况产生最大的影响！

For more information about this important activation,please visit https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2021/11/divine-intervention-activation-on-december-21st-at-4-pm-utc-1221.html

欲了解更多关于这一重要激活的信息，请访问 https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2021/11/divine-intervention-activation-on-december-21st-at-4-pm-utc-1221.html

It's important that as many people as possible participate on December 21,so please spread the word!

尽可能多的人参加12月21日的冥想活动是很重要的，所以请把这个消息传播出去！

The interview also covers topics such as Galactic intervention,First Contact,current events,the Event and Ascension,healing and protection,as well as the Goddess and Sisterhood of the Rose.

采访还包括诸如银河干预、第一次接触、时事、事件和扬升、疗愈和保护，以及蔷薇圣女团等话题。

You can listen to the interview on the Sisterhood of the Rose YouTube channel here:

你可以在这里收听蔷薇圣女团频道的采访:

https://youtu.be/xCuLD8lE1T8

Below is the transcript of the interview with Cobra by Sisterhood of the Rose:

以下是蔷薇圣女团对 Cobra 的采访记录:

Debra:Hello,my name is Debra and I'm a leader with the Sisterhood of the Rose Planetary Network.Today,I have the pleasure to speak again with Cobra,who is the chief Intel provider for the Resistance Movement,where he offers important planetary and galactic information at his blog 2012portal.blogspot.com.Welcome Cobra and thank you so much for doing this interview.

黛布拉:大家好，我叫黛布拉，我是玫瑰行星网络姐妹会的领导者。今天，我很荣幸再次与 Cobra 交谈，他是抵抗运动的首席情报供应商，在他的博客2012portal.blogspot.com 上提供了重要的行星和银河系信息。欢迎 Cobra，非常感谢你接受这次采访。

Cobra:It's a pleasure to do this interview again after one year.

柯博拉:很高兴一年后再次接受采访。

Debra:Yes,it has been a year and what a year it's been,so we will be talking about that.But we'd like to start with talking about a very important event that we have coming up on the December 21st solstice and that is our Divine Intervention Activation.We will be doing this activation as a two-step process and we will be doing a global mass meditation at 4:00 PM UTC on December 21st,and the second step is also signing the Planetary Liberation petition,and we'll discuss that in a moment.This two-step trigger will have the maximum effect on the planetary situation possible.The intent for this mass meditation is to co-create the trigger that will start the process of First Contact with benevolent Galactic beings and Divine Intervention.Let's start by discussing Divine Intervention.

黛布拉:是的，已经过去一年了，这是怎样的一年，所以我们将讨论这个问题。但是我们想先谈谈12月21日至日即将到来的一个非常重要的事件，那就是我们的神圣介入。我们将分两步进行激活我们将在协调世界时12月21日下午4点进行全球大规模冥想第二步也是签署行星解放请愿书我们一会儿再讨论。这两步触发将对行星状况产生最大的影响。这次大规模冥想的意图是共同创造触发器，开始与仁慈的银河存有和神圣介入的第一次接触过程。让我们从讨论
神圣介入开始。

Part 1:Divine Intervention Activation

Debra:In this meditation,we are asking the Source to directly intervene into the situation on Earth,to trigger an intense healing transformation of humanity,and for Light to transmute all remaining darkness on Earth.So Cobra,what would Divine Intervention look like?I mean,in essence,are we asking the Source to trigger the Event,or at least the start of the Event?

黛布拉:在这个冥想中，我们要求源头直接介入地球上的情况，触发人类强烈的疗愈转变，并让光改变地球上所有剩余的黑暗。那么 Cobra，神圣介入会是什么样子呢？我的意思是，在本质上，我们是否要求源头触发事件，或者至少是事件的开始？

Cobra:In a way,yes,we are asking the Source to directly intervene in the situation on the planet in a way that is most beneficial at this particular moment.And of course,the final consequence will be the Event,but we are asking for an intervention to happen now as much as possible in the best possible way for the current situation.

柯博拉:在某种程度上，是的，我们正在要求源头直接干预地球上的情况，在这个特殊的时刻以一种最有利的方式。当然，最终的结果将是事件，但我们要求干预尽可能现在发生，以最好的方式为目前的情况。

Debra:Okay.And if we reach critical mass,what intervention will occur?I mean,when will this happen?Is it possible this intervention would transmute all remaining darkness on Earth?

黛布拉:好的。如果我们达到临界质量，会发生什么干预？我是说，什么时候会发生？有没有可能这次干预会改变地球上所有剩余的黑暗？

Cobra:This is not likely at this point.We are not there yet,but definitely it will increase the process.It will accelerate the process and will be a big step towards the final completion.

柯博拉:这是不可能的，在这一点上。我们还没有到那一步，但是肯定会增加这个过程。它将加速这一进程，并将是朝着最终完成迈出的一大步。

Debra:Okay,good.And what is so special about this December 21st meditation and also this December 2021 solstice?

黛布拉:好的，很好。那么这个12月21日的冥想和2021年12月的至日有什么特别的呢？

Cobra:Solstice every year is a very powerful moment,and this year,certain things are converging.I will not disclose them yet.I will disclose them just before the activation,but there are certain potentially important things happening that are planned for that time that are converging on that date.And we're using that day as a trigger to make those things possible.

柯博拉:每年的夏至都是一个非常重要的时刻，而今年，某些事情正在汇聚。我还不会透露。我会在激活之前公布它们，但是有一些潜在的重要的事情正在计划在那个日期发生。而我们正在利用这一天作为一个触发器，使这些事情成为可能。

Debra:We look forward to hearing about what that will be.Now let's talk about First Contact with benevolent Galactic beings.You've stated that the benevolent citizens in our Galaxy would like humanity to join the Galactic family,but they need a clear,strong coherent signal from the surface population that contact is desired.But why is this signal necessary?I mean,don't they already know how much we need their help and would like to be a part of the Galactic family?

黛布拉:我们期待着听到那将会是什么。现在让我们来谈谈与仁慈的银河生物的第一次接触。你说过我们银河系仁慈的公民希望人类加入银河系大家庭但是他们需要一个来自地表人口的清晰的，强烈的相干信号那就是我们想要的联系。但为什么需要这种信号呢？我的意思是，难道他们不知道我们有多么需要他们的帮助并且愿意成为银河系大家庭的一员吗？

Cobra:Okay,this planet has,I would say,about 8 billion inhabitants on the surface.And a very tiny percentage of those inhabitants of the surface have any interest,have stated any interest,for a connection for dialogue with the Galactic community.And that signal was simply too weak compared to other signals coming from the surface of the planet.And that's why they need more coherency,more clarity about this.And if our signal reaches the critical mass,it will be strong enough that it would be taken seriously because they need to take into account all the humanity on the surface.If there are just a few people mildly wishing for some kind of a Contact,that's not enough.It needs to be a clear intention,the first step towards Galactic dialogue and this is what we are achieving with this meditation and with this petition.

柯博拉:好的，这个星球的表面有大约80亿居民。只有很小一部分居住在地球表面的居民，表示有兴趣，与银河系社区进行对话。这个信号与来自星球表面的其他信号相比，实在是太微弱了。这就是为什么他们需要更多的一致性，更多的明确性。如果我们的信号达到临界质量，它将足够强大，它将被认真对待，因为他们需要考虑到表面上的所有人类。如果只有少数人温和地希望有某种形式的联系，这是不够的。它需要一个明确的意图，通向银河对话的第一步，这就是我们通过这次冥想和这次请愿所取得的成果。

Debra:Oh,that's interesting.You know,that makes sense because the collective is,as we know,quite asleep and I'm sure that we are sending them a very mixed message on what we want for the planet.How is it that we are not already a member of the Galactic family?Have we not yet been accepted into the Galactic family because of all of the anomaly and darkness on Earth?Or is it because we never sent out a cohesive signal,like you said?

黛布拉:哦，这很有趣。你知道，这是有道理的，因为集体是，我们知道，相当沉睡，我敢肯定，我们正在向他们发出一个非常复杂的信息，我们希望为这个星球。为什么我们不是银河大家庭的一员呢？难道我们还没有被银河大家庭接纳，因为地球上所有的异常和黑暗？还是因为我们从来没有像你说的那样发出一个有凝聚力的信号？

Cobra:That signal is just the first step.To really be a part of a Galactic family,you need to learn to behave like a part of the family,which humanity clearly hasn't done yet.So this will be just the first step.And even to be considered to be accepted,it will be a process.It will be a certain procedure,a certain protocol.And this is the first step of that protocol.I will say this is the first moment of Galactic diplomacy between the surface of the planet and the Galactic society.

柯博拉:那个信号只是第一步。要真正成为银河系大家庭的一员，你需要学会像大家庭的一员那样行事，而人类显然还没有做到这一点。所以这只是第一步。即使被认为是可以接受的，这也是一个过程。这将是一个特定的过程，一个特定的协议。这是协议的第一步。我想说，这是银河外交的第一个时刻，在地球表面和银河社会之间。

Debra:So do we need to be completely free of darkness before we can join the Galactic family?

黛布拉:那么在我们加入银河大家庭之前，我们需要完全摆脱黑暗吗？

Cobra:To be officially accepted,yes.And this is going to be achieved through the process of the Event.

柯博拉:被正式接受，是的。这将通过事件的过程来实现。

Debra:Yes.What would it be like to be a part of this Galactic family?I mean,what would that look like?Would we see more evidence in our skies of ET craft?Will they appear on Earth?Will the telepathic channels open up more between us and them?What does it look like?

黛布拉:是的。成为这个银河大家庭的一员会是什么样子？我是说，那会是什么样子？我们会在外星飞船的天空中看到更多的证据吗？它们会出现在地球上吗？心灵感应通道会在我们和他们之间打开更多吗？它看起来像什么？

Cobra:Humanity will have First Contact before it will be accepted as an equal part of the Galactic society.So First Contact,Divine Intervention,the Event,all those things will happen before.We are reaching beyond the Event with this activation actually;we are reaching to the point of really becoming part of the Galactic family,which is even more.And obviously this will be a very pleasant experience because finally at that point this planet will no longer be a planet of darkness.And obviously that is something that is much better than the state of affairs right now on the surface of the planet.

柯博拉:人类将有第一次接触之前，它将被接受为一个平等的部分，作为银河系社会。所以 First Contact，神圣介入，the Event，所有这些事情都会在。我们实际上正在通过这个激活超越事件;我们正在达到真正成为银河系大家庭的一部分的点，这甚至更多。显然，这将是一次非常愉快的经历，因为到那时，这个星球将不再是一个黑暗的星球。显然，这比现在地球表面的情况要好得多。

Debra:Yes,and we'll talk about that in a moment.So when we talk of First Contact,we think of Galactic beings visiting us from space,but does First Contact also include benevolent beings underground,like the Agarthans and the Resistance Movement coming to the surface?

黛布拉:是的，我们一会儿再谈这个。所以当我们谈到第一次接触时，我们会想到来自太空的银河生物，但是第一次接触是否也包括地下的仁慈生物，比如阿加森人和抵抗运动来到地表？

Cobra:Yes,but this part is still classified.We're focusing now more on the Galactic part of the beings coming in the ships;first the Pleiadians contacting certain selected individuals and then spreading this further.So this is what our focus is with this right now.

柯博拉:是的，但这部分仍然是机密。我们现在更多地关注飞船上来的生物的银河系部分;首先昴宿星人联系某些特定的个体，然后进一步传播。这就是我们现在关注的重点。

Debra:Okay.And you stated that if we reach a critical mass of 144,000 people joining the meditation,it will have far-reaching exopolitical and geopolitical consequences.So can you elaborate on those consequences?

黛布拉:好。你说过，如果我们达到144,000人参加冥想的临界质量，将会产生深远的外部政治和地缘政治后果。那么你能详细阐述一下这些后果吗？

Cobra:Okay.First I will focus on the petition.If this petition reaches that number of signatures,it will be considered by the Galactic forces that we have represented a significant part of humanity that wishes to initiate contact.And by the Galactic law,they are required to respond.So they will respond in a certain way;how they will respond and how this will be communicated is not yet to be revealed,but there will be a response.And that response might not be public at first because that will not be safe,but there will be a certain process initialized.And once that process is started it cannot be stopped anymore.It cannot be reversed.So it will be something that will be put in motion.It will be set in motion that it will keep on going.

柯博拉:好的。首先，我会专注于请愿书。如果这份请愿书得到了这么多人的签名，那么银河系的力量就会认为我们已经代表了希望发起接触的人类的一个重要部分。根据银河法律，他们必须做出回应。所以他们会以一种特定的方式作出反应，他们将如何作出反应，以及这种反应将如何传达尚不清楚，但会有一个反应。一开始这种反应可能不会公开，因为这样做不安全，但是会有一个初始化的过程。一旦这个过程被启动，它就不能再被停止了。它不能被逆转。因此，这将是一件需要付诸实施的事情。它将开始运作，并将持续下去。

Debra:Okay,and yeah,I would like to talk to you more about that petition in a moment too.But getting back to the meditation,what exactly are we meditating for with this meditation?You said certain people would be contacted by the Pleiadians.So is this for individual contact for certain people or for planetary contact,like a mass landing,and which would happen first?

黛布拉:好的，是的，我也想稍后再和你们谈谈请愿书的事情。回到冥想，我们冥想到底是为了什么？你说昴宿星人会联系某些人。所以这是为了某些人的个人接触，还是为了行星接触，比如大规模登陆，哪个会先发生？

Cobra:It's for both actually.After certain selected individuals will be contacted,they will speak about their experience.A chain reaction will be triggered,which will lead at some point to massive sightings of the Galactic fleet,massive reporting of this in the media,all interwoven with the Event and with a full disclosure process.These are all elements of the same process that are happening in a certain particular sequence.

柯博拉:实际上两者都是。在联系了某些被选中的人之后，他们会谈论他们的经历。一个连锁反应将被触发，这将导致在某一点上大规模目击银河舰队，在媒体上大规模报道这一点，所有交织与事件和一个完整的披露过程。这些都是同一个过程中的要素，以特定的顺序发生着。

Debra:Okay.And do you have an idea of who those people are that would be contacted?I know a lot of people are probably wondering who those people are and if it might be them.I mean,is it anyone that makes these decrees would be either physically or telepathically contacted if they are open to it,or are there specific people that the Light Forces have selected?

黛布拉:好的。你知道我们会联系哪些人吗？我知道很多人可能想知道这些人是谁，是否可能是他们。我的意思是，是否有人制定了这些法令，如果他们愿意接受的话，他们可以通过身体或心灵感应进行联系，或者是光明力量选择了特定的人？

Cobra:There is a certain protocol called the Contact Dish protocol,which I have published on my blog years ago,and people who are participating in that project will be among the first to be contacted because they have private land,which is from a legal standpoint,much easier for a small ship to land on a private land and that physical contact can be made without interference.This will be the easiest to manifest as soon as possible.As soon as it's safe,this will be done.Of course,many people will have telepathic contact;there will be people having spiritual experiences,visions,visitations in dreams.But now we're speaking more about real physical contact with evidence.People will be able to take photos,people will be able to record video.All this will be at some point distributed through the media.

柯博拉:有一种协议叫做 Contact Dish 协议，我几年前在我的博客上发表过，参与这个项目的人将是第一批被联系的人，因为他们有私人土地，从法律角度来看，小船在私人土地上降落更容易，而且可以在不受干扰的情况下进行身体接触。这将是最容易显示尽快。一旦安全，就会完成。当然，很多人会有心灵感应的接触，有人会有精神体验，幻觉，梦中的造访。但是现在我们谈论的更多的是与证据的真实身体接触。人们将能够拍照，人们将能够录像。所有这些都将在某个时候通过媒体传播。

Debra:Is it possible that this could happen before the Event?

黛布拉:这有没有可能发生在事件发生之前？

Cobra:Yes,it's possible.The exact sequence is not yet to be disclosed at this point for obvious reasons,for strategic reasons,because there are many beings that are listening to this that are not really welcome to listen to this and have some agendas that are not in alignment with the Divine plan.But I would say that people will be contacted before the Event,in the final phase before the Event.

柯博拉:是的，有可能。由于显而易见的原因，出于战略上的原因，确切的顺序在这一点上还没有被披露，因为有许多存有正在听这个，他们并不真正欢迎听这个，并且有一些不符合神圣计划的议程。但我要说的是，人们会在事件发生之前，在事件发生之前的最后阶段被联系上。

Debra:What about people that don't own land?Are they eliminated from any kinds of physical contact?

黛布拉:那些没有土地的人怎么办?他们会被排除在任何形式的身体接触之外吗？

Cobra:No,they will not be eliminated,but it's a little bit more difficult to arrange something for them.It is possible to arrange something for them while they are walking in nature and on public land,but it's not that easy.So that will happen also,but it is easier to manifest physical contact for those who own land just for practical and legal reasons.Everything needs to be done correctly to minimize interference from the dark forces.That's the main reason.Safety is number one priority.People that will be contacted need to remain safe.

柯博拉:不，他们不会被淘汰，但是为他们安排一些事情有点困难。当它们在大自然和公共土地上行走时，为它们安排一些事情是可能的，但不是那么容易。所以这也会发生，但是对于那些只是出于实际和法律原因拥有土地的人来说，显示身体接触更容易。所有的事情都需要正确地做，以尽量减少来自黑暗势力的干扰。这是主要原因。安全是第一要务。将被联系的人需要保持安全。

Debra:Yes,of course.But I was thinking of that,what if a person was walking in nature someplace and if that would maybe be an option?

黛布拉:是的，当然。但是我在想，如果一个人在大自然的某个地方行走会怎么样，如果这也许是一种选择呢？

Cobra:That is an option,yes.As soon as it will be safe and as soon as it will be convenient,that will happen.

柯博拉:这是一个选择，是的。一旦它变得安全，一旦它变得方便，它就会发生。

Debra:And what would make it safe?

黛布拉:什么能让它安全呢？

Cobra:It means that the Cabal is losing enough power.It means a location where that particular person will be walking will be easily accessible from the orbit.For example,for the Pleiadian craft,it needs to be positioned that is not too close to military bases.It needs to be a position which is in a favorable position,not to be overly detected from the ground.There are many factors involved.

柯博拉:这意味着阴谋集团正在失去足够的能量。这意味着某个特定的人将要行走的地方将很容易从轨道上接近。举例来说，昴宿星的飞行器需要定位在不太靠近军事基地的地方。它需要位于一个有利的位置，不能被地面过度探测到。这其中有很多因素。

Debra:I see.Okay.So they might have to be pretty far out in nature privately.

黛布拉:我明白了。好吧。所以它们可能在自然界中相当远的地方，私下里。

Cobra:Yeah.This is different from case to case.There are many other factors involved.I would say also the consciousness of the recipient is a major factor,attachment of that person to other persons,the social network of that person.There are many reasons,many,many different factors,which are determining who to be contacted,when,and how.

柯博拉:是的。每个案例都不一样。还有很多其他的因素。我想说，接受者的意识也是一个主要因素，那个人对其他人的依恋，那个人的社交网络。有很多原因，很多很多不同的因素，决定着联系谁，什么时候，怎么联系。

Debra:What would you suggest on how we prepare ourselves for that possible contact?

黛布拉:对于我们如何为可能的联系做好准备，你有什么建议？

Cobra:I would suggest people to read the Contact Dish protocol on my blog and everything is written there.

柯博拉:我建议人们在我的博客上阅读 Contact Dish 协议，所有的内容都写在那里。

Debra:Okay.I just wonder because you were talking about our social network and the consciousness of that person.

黛布拉:好吧。我只是好奇，因为你刚才谈到了我们的社交网络和那个人的意识。

Cobra:I will not go further into this at this point.

柯博拉:我不会在这一点上进一步深入。

Debra:Okay.The higher our vibration is,the more we work on ourselves and cleaning our energy fields,probably would help with all of that,I'm sure.

黛布拉:好的。我们的振动越高，我们对自己做的工作就越多，清理我们的能量场，我相信这可能对所有这些都有帮助。

Cobra:Definitely,definitely.The Pleiadians have a priority list and they will contact people who are the most conscious and who will be safe enough to go through that contact without any interference from the dark.So there are two main factors at this point.

柯博拉:绝对的，绝对的。昴宿星人有一个优先名单，他们会联系那些最有意识的人，那些足够安全的人可以在没有任何黑暗干扰的情况下通过这个联系。所以现在有两个主要因素。

Debra:Very good to know.So there's been a little bit of confusion about what this whole activation is about.Is it like a final plea?Are we calling this in because the Light Forces have realized that the dark are more powerful than expected and that we are running out of time,that we need extra help?We know that liberation of Earth is 100%required as the Galactic Codex clearly mandates this,but are we doing this activation because we are at the stage where things need to be done faster and dramatic action is required?

黛布拉:很高兴知道。所以我们对这整个激活的目的有点困惑。这是最后的请求吗？我们召集这次会议是因为光明势力已经意识到黑暗比预期的更加强大，我们正在耗尽时间，我们需要额外的帮助？我们知道地球的解放是100%必要的，因为银河法典明确规定了这一点，但是我们这样做是因为我们在这个阶段需要做的事情更快，戏剧性的行动是必要的吗？

Cobra:Okay,this is not done from a position of desperation.It's done from a position of power.It means that finally the consciousness of the surface population is ready to reach the critical mass with this.This petition,for example,was created eight years ago and the numbers at that time were about 20,000 people.We have already gathered five times that amount right now,up until this point.So we can see that the situation now in the eight years has developed to a point where we can actually realistically reach that critical mass and set this process in motion.So this is why we're doing this now.It's a perfect moment.It's the first time when it's realistically possible to achieve this.

柯博拉:好吧，这不是在绝望的情况下做的。而是从权力的角度。这意味着最终地表人口的意识，已经准备好达到临界质量。例如，这份请愿书是八年前创立的，当时的人数大约是20000人。到目前为止，我们已经聚集了五倍于这个数字的人。所以我们可以看到八年来的情况已经发展到我们可以实际达到临界质量并启动这一进程的地步。这就是我们现在这么做的原因。这是一个完美的时刻。这是第一次真正有可能做到这一点。

Debra:That is a very inspiring and optimistic way of looking at this,so I'm so glad to hear that you say that,that's great news.Do we need extraterrestrials to bring in the new Earth?Is there any chance we could do this ourselves or do we really need their assistance?

黛布拉:这是一个非常鼓舞人心和乐观的看待这个问题的方式，所以我很高兴听到你说，这是一个好消息。我们需要外星人带来新的地球吗？我们是否有可能自己做到这一点，或者我们真的需要他们的帮助？

Cobra:There are two one-sided perspectives on this planet.One is that we need to do everything on our own.And the other one,we are helpless,and we are powerless and need external help.Actually,what is necessary here is partnership.Partnership between the surface population and the Galactic races.And this is the way it is done all over the galaxy,and this is the way it has to be done here to be successful.We have one necessary essential element to the liberation,and they have the other one,and only together we can make this possible.So this is why this partnership is necessary to empower each other and to make this liberation possible.We are creating a bridge between the surface of the planet and the heaven,and this bridge will trigger the Event.It will assist in that process,and it will defeat the darkness.

柯博拉:这个星球上有两种片面的观点。一个是我们需要自己做所有的事情。另一方面，我们很无助，我们无能为力，需要外界的帮助。事实上，我们需要的是伙伴关系。地表人口和银河系种族之间的伙伴关系。这是整个银河系都在实现的方式这也是为了成功必须在这里实现的方式。我们有一个解放的必要元素，他们有另一个，只有我们一起才能使之成为可能。所以这就是为什么这种伙伴关系对于相互授权，并使这种解放成为可能是必要的。我们正在地球表面和天堂之间建立一座桥梁，这座桥梁将引发事件。它将协助这个过程，它将战胜黑暗。

Debra:Yes,together is very,very powerful.We could learn from that here on planet Earth about working together!So let's talk about the power of putting our consciousness together through the mass meditation.We have reached before critical mass of 144,000 people;we've even reached a million before.But we haven't really seen many results in the physical,and that has been discouraging for some people.Can you explain how these meditations have helped in ways that we may not see with our physical eyes?I know you've explained this before,but it really feels like people need to hear this again.

黛布拉:是的，团结在一起是非常非常强大的。我们可以从地球上学到如何合作！那么，让我们来谈谈通过大规模冥想，将我们的意识整合在一起的力量。我们已经达到了144,000人的临界质量;我们甚至达到了100万人的临界质量。但是我们还没有在体检中看到很多结果，这让一些人感到沮丧。你能解释一下这些冥想是如何帮助我们达到肉眼无法看到的效果的吗？我知道你之前已经解释过了，但我真的觉得人们需要再听一遍。

Cobra:People sometimes have expectations that are not based in reality.People are expecting a few minutes of one strong meditation can transmute all darkness on planet Earth which was accumulating here for thousands and thousands of years.That of course is not possible.Real physical change that will be visible,evident,and what people are expecting,will only happen the last few weeks before the Event.Nothing will be really visible months before the Event.The only time when people will really begin to notice changes is a few weeks before the Event.So no matter how many meditations we do before that particular moment,there'll be no really strongly visible external changes.What does change with every meditation is we empower the positive timeline,and we prevent many negative things from happening.Without our meditations,we would not be having this conversation right now,maybe this surface of the planet would already have been destroyed.So we have averted so many negative scenarios.We have averted so many wars.They have attempted to create a war in Syria,in Iraq,in Iran,in Israel,in Ukraine,you name it.So many times over and never succeeded.The only time they succeeded was with this pandemic,and the only reason why they succeeded with this pandemic,I would say the main reason why they succeeded with this pandemic,was that the key Lightworkers on the planet have made crucial,stupid,and egoistic mistakes in 2018 and in 2019.That could all be prevented;it was not necessary,this pandemic.It's completely unnecessary,this whole drama could be avoided.But I would say that many other things have been avoided with our meditations and it helped a lot.Many things could have been much worse than they are now.It's a complete miracle that we are not living in a completely totalitarian New World Order regime right now.There are elements of it,yes,but we are not there,we are not living in concentration camps.So it's a complete miracle that we are not there.If we compare what the dark forces are doing,how much energy they put into this and the state of humanity of the surface of the planet,we have been extremely successful if we see how these things could have turned out.

柯博拉:人们有时候会有一些不切实际的期望。人们期待一个强烈的冥想能够改变地球上所有的黑暗，这些黑暗已经在这里积累了成千上万年。这当然是不可能的。真正的物理变化将是可见的，明显的，和人们所期待的，只会发生在事件前的最后几个星期。事件发生前的几个月，什么都不会真正显现出来。人们真正开始注意到变化的唯一时间是在事件发生前的几周。所以不管我们在那个特定的时刻之前做了多少冥想，都不会有真正强烈可见的外部变化。每次冥想真正改变的是我们赋予了正面的时间线，我们阻止了许多消极的事情发生。如果没有我们的冥想，我们现在就不会有这样的对话，也许这个星球的表面已经被摧毁了。所以我们避免了很多负面的情况。我们避免了许多战争。他们试图在叙利亚、伊拉克、伊朗、以色列、乌克兰等地制造战争。这么多次都没有成功。他们唯一成功的一次是在这次大流行病中，他们成功的唯一原因，我想说他们成功的主要原因，是地球上关键的光之工作者在2018年和2019年犯了关键的，愚蠢的，自私的错误。这一切都是可以预防的，但这并不是必须的，这种流行病。完全没有必要，这整个事件是可以避免的。但我想说的是，在我们的冥想过程中，许多其他的事情都被避免了，这对我们有很大的帮助。很多事情本来可能比现在更糟糕。我们现在没有生活在一个完全极权主义的新世界秩序体制中，这完全是一个奇迹。是的，有一些因素，但是我们不在那里，我们不是生活在集中营里。所以我们不在那里完全是个奇迹。如果我们比较黑暗势力在做什么，他们在这里投入了多少能量，以及地球表面的人类状态，我们已经非常成功，如果我们看到这些事情是如何发生的。

Debra:Wow,that just demonstrates the power that Lightworkers do have!

黛布拉:哇，这恰恰证明了光之工作者所拥有的力量！

Cobra:Much more than people realize.Much more than people realize.

柯博拉:比人们意识到的要多得多，比人们意识到的要多得多。

Debra:And that alone is a wakeup call I think for many.I'm so glad that you said that.And it also shows the power of mass meditation too.I want to ask,will it help to do the meditation daily before the big global one on December 21st?Will that have any impact in building up energies?

黛布拉:这本身就是一个警钟，我想对很多人来说。我很高兴你这么说。这也显示了群体冥想的力量。我想问的是，在12月21日全球大型冥想活动之前每天进行冥想会有帮助吗？这对积累能量有什么影响吗？

Cobra:Yes,of course it will be,it will help building up the energy.Of course,you are invited to do the meditation anytime you want,every day.If that's your guidance,that's perfect.

柯博拉:是的，当然会，它将有助于建立能量。当然，我们会邀请你在任何你想要的时间进行冥想，每天都可以。如果这就是你的指导，那就完美了。

Debra:Okay.We know that with these mass meditations,the more people that participate,the more impactful it will be.So it is important that people promote this one as much as possible,especially what you've shared with us about what results we could see from it.The intention for this one,with calling in First Contact of Galactic beings,isn't really for everyone.You know,many"unawakened"people would find this either silly or frightening.So how can we bring in more mainstream folks to increase our numbers?Is it by focusing on the"divine intervention"aspect of it,or what do you think?

黛布拉:好的。我们知道，通过这些集体冥想，参与的人越多，它的影响力就越大。因此，人们尽可能多地推广这种方法是很重要的，尤其是你们与我们分享的，我们可以从中看到什么样的结果。这篇文章的目的是召唤银河生物的第一次接触，并不是每个人都能接受的。你知道，许多"未觉醒"的人会觉得这要么愚蠢要么可怕。那么，我们怎样才能吸引更多的主流人群来增加我们的人数呢？是通过专注于"神圣干预"方面，还是你的想法？

Cobra:Well,you need to use your own guidance,so who you share this with and what your wording is.But I have made a public call to a few figures out there who are actually,in a way,working on this,promoting First Contact in a certain way,and they have not responded.So I would simply say,I don't understand this.We are trying to create something really beautiful,something really important,and there is simply no interest.So you see the Galactic Forces are observing all this,and this is why they have reservations.There is simply not enough unity;everybody's having their little garden,their little group of followers,and doing their own thing,which is understandable from the Galactic perspective as much as they understand human psychology,but they cannot take things seriously if this is all they see,if you know what I mean.

柯博拉:嗯，你需要使用你自己的指导，所以你与谁分享这一点，你的措辞是什么。但我已经公开呼吁了一些人，他们在某种程度上正在努力以某种方式促进《第一次接触》但他们没有回应。所以我只想说，我不明白。我们试图创造一些真正美丽的东西，一些真正重要的东西，但是根本没有人感兴趣。你可以看到银河力量正在观察这一切，这就是为什么他们有所保留。根本就没有足够的团结，每个人都有自己的小花园，自己的小追随者，做自己的事情，这从银河系的角度来看是可以理解的，就像他们理解人类心理一样，但是如果他们只看到这些，他们就不能认真对待事情，如果你明白我的意思。

Debra:Yeah,absolutely.I think this is a time for people to put their egos aside and have unity in the community and gather together to really help this planet,because there is power in numbers.So we send out a call to everyone to hear this,share this with your followers,share this on your social network,share with your family and friends.We do need it.It would be great if we could get as many people as possible,especially those with large followings.

黛布拉:是的，当然。我认为现在是时候让人们把自我放在一边，团结在社区里，聚集在一起，真正帮助这个星球，因为人多力量大。所以我们呼吁每个人听到这些，与你的追随者分享，在你的社交网络上分享，与你的家人和朋友分享。我们确实需要它。如果我们能够得到尽可能多的人，尤其是那些拥有大量追随者的人，那就太好了。

Cobra:Yes,I'm not speaking to convert anybody or to try to convince people who are not open to this,but there are people who are already working on this on some level,in a certain way.And those are the people who would need to participate anyway.Because this is not my own little personal idea,it's part of the global plan for humanity.(Yes)And anybody else could start this at any point,but they didn't.So this could be started at any point in the last 50 or 60 years,because people know about extraterrestrial races,there are many books and videos and movies about this for the last few decades already out there.And this could be initiated at any point,but it wasn't.So the time is now.Now it's time for us to really get our act together and do this.

柯博拉:是的，我并不是要说服任何人，或者试图说服那些不愿意接受这种观点的人，但是有些人已经在某种程度上，以某种方式在这方面做出了努力。无论如何，这些人都需要参与进来。因为这不是我个人的小想法，它是全球人类计划的一部分。(是的)任何人都可以在任何时候启动这个计划，但是他们没有。所以这可能是在过去50或60年的任何时候开始的，因为人们知道外星种族，在过去的几十年里，已经有很多关于这方面的书籍、视频和电影。这可以在任何时候开始，但它不是。所以现在是时候了。现在是我们真正行动起来，做这件事的时候了。

Debra:Yes,one hundred percent.Let's talk a little bit more about the petition because it is very important.I would like people to have a really clear understanding about why we're doing this,it seems a little bit silly to create a petition to talk to Galactic beings.But you mentioned that energetic bridge that this will create,so could you speak more about that,and how this will speed up the process of liberation?

黛布拉:是的，百分之百。让我们再多谈谈请愿书，因为它非常重要。我希望人们对我们为什么这样做有一个真正清晰的理解，这似乎有点愚蠢，创建一个请愿书与银河生物对话。但是你提到了这将会创造出一座充满活力的桥梁，所以你能不能多谈谈这个，以及这将如何加速解放的进程？

Cobra:Okay.This is actually a legal document.We are signing a legal document;we are creating the declaration of our unified will.And if this declaration is strong enough,the Galactic Forces will take this seriously.You see,they can read the minds of people and they can see all the conflicting thoughts in people's minds.In one way,people would like to have intervention,and in other ways,they are angry at the Light Forces.And then they're afraid,and then they doubt if any of this even exists and there is no proof.And you know,all those mixed thoughts create a very mixed signal.And they need something very clear and very coherent to respond to this.(Okay)And this needs to be a physical action,it needs to be a physical document.It needs to be a physical process.You need to sit down at your computer and sign the petition,because you want intervention on the physical plane.It is all about manifestation,if you want physical action,you need to take physical action

柯博拉:好的。这实际上是一份法律文件。我们正在签署一份法律文件;我们正在创建我们统一意志的宣言。如果这个宣言足够强大，银河系的力量会认真对待。你看，他们可以读取人们的思想，他们可以看到人们头脑中所有相互矛盾的想法。在某种程度上，人们希望有介入，在其他方面，他们对光明力量感到愤怒。然后他们害怕，然后他们怀疑这些是否存在，而且没有证据。你知道，所有这些复杂的想法产生了一个非常复杂的信号。他们需要一些非常清晰和连贯的东西来回应这个。(好的))这需要一个实际的行动，它需要一个实际的文件。它需要一个物理过程。你需要坐在电脑前签署请愿书，因为你想要在物理层面上进行干预。这都是关于表现，如果你想要身体上的行动，你需要身体上的行动。

Debra:That makes a lot of sense.

黛布拉:这很有道理。

Cobra:And this is creating a bridge between higher dimensions and the physical plane.It creates a network.It creates a bridge also between the surface of the planet and all those locations in the orbit where the ships are.

柯博拉:这就在更高维度和物理层面之间建立了一座桥梁。它创造了一个网络。它还在地球表面和飞船所在轨道上的所有位置之间建立了一座桥梁。

Debra:Okay,yeah,that makes great sense.And so you mentioned earlier that it was initially launched about eight years ago,in 2013.So why is it so important now that we reach the critical mass?And what happens if we don't have 144,000 signatures by the time…?

黛布拉:好吧，是的，这很有道理。你之前提到过它最初是在八年前2013年发布的。那么为什么现在达到临界质量如此重要呢？如果到时候我们没有144,000个签名会怎么样？

Cobra:It was always important to reach the critical mass,but it was not realistic.If I would start this years ago,it would not happen,but right now we have the first real chance to do it.And we will reach the critical mass.I'm not talking about the possibility that we're not going to reach the critical mass.So we are going to reach a critical mass.

柯博拉:达到临界质量一直很重要，但这并不现实。如果我在几年前就开始这样做，它就不会发生，但是现在我们有第一个真正的机会去做。我们会达到临界质量。我不是在说我们无法达到临界质量的可能性。所以我们会达到临界质量。

Debra:Yes,we definitely are.What happens if someone signed it years ago,but they can't recall if they had;should they sign it again now?

黛布拉:是的，我们肯定是。如果几年前有人签了它，但是他们不记得他们是否签了，那会发生什么;他们现在应该再签一次吗？

Cobra:I've made instructions very clear.You sign only once.

柯博拉:我已经说得很清楚了，你只能签一次。

Debra:Okay.And would you just speak a little bit more about how having critical mass on this petition will magnify the effect of the meditation that we're doing?

黛布拉:好的。你能不能再多说一点关于请愿书的临界质量会如何放大我们正在进行的冥想的效果？

Cobra:It will actually be the first real step towards what we are manifesting in this meditation.So when the critical mass of the petition is reached,this will,as I said before,set a certain legal and exopolitical process.There will be certain dialogue created.The Galactic councils will meet,they will make decisions.They will initialize certain action that will involve in a certain way also the surface of the planet.It will speed up the Contact process.Things will set in motion and what we're realizing is exactly that.So this petition will accelerate the timeline towards the Contact.Galactic fleet will be authorized to be more active in lower orbit and towards the surface.There might be connections on the surface.I cannot disclose more right now,but I would say that certain things will be sped up.They will be accelerated.The Galactic Force will have more authority to do more than they had before.They will have a stronger hand against the Cabal,so they will be authorized to do more because they will know we want the bad guys to be gone–not just in some confusing thoughts,not full of revenge and powerlessness,but with clear intent,which is much more powerful.

柯博拉:这实际上将是迈向我们在这个冥想中所显化的第一步。所以当请愿书达到临界质量时，正如我之前所说，这将设定一个特定的法律和域外政治程序。会有一定的对话产生。银河委员会将会召开会议，做出决定。他们会启动某些行动，这些行动将以某种方式涉及到行星的表面。这将加快联系的进程。事情将开始运转，我们正在意识到这一点。所以这份请愿书会加快联系的进程。银河舰队将被授权在低轨道和地表更加活跃。地球表面可能有联系。我现在不能透露更多，但我想说，有些事情会加速进行。它们会加速。银河系的力量将拥有比以前更大的权力去做更多的事情。他们将对阴谋集团采取更强有力的手段，因此他们将被授权采取更多行动，因为他们知道我们希望坏人消失——不仅仅是在一些令人困惑的想法中，不是充满复仇和无能为力，而是怀着明确的意图，这种意图要强大得多。

Debra:Yes,absolutely.And I just have to share this…I just got confirmation that we will reach 144,000.When I glanced down,it was 1:44[pm]where I am,so that was a very powerful message.So we look forward to that!

黛布拉:是的，当然。我必须分享这个...我刚刚得到确认，我们将达到144000。当我往下看的时候，我所在的地方是下午1点44分，所以这是一个非常有力的信息。所以我们很期待！

Part 2:Galactic Situation Update

Debra:Let's now move on to talking a little bit about the Galactic situation.You said in a recent post,how the Light Forces are creating a Dyson Sphere around the sun and around the Earth in order to temper the strength of the Galactic pulse that will come from the Galactic Central Sun in the near future(and we love those words"in the near future").We are looking at this as good news,that this is for preparation for the powerful,incoming Galactic energies of the Event.And the question is,are these Dyson spheres needed so that we don't end up like Atlantis?Were they used when the pulse hit the Earth at the time of Atlantis?And have they been used on other planets that went through what we're about to go through?

黛布拉:现在我们来谈谈银河系的情况。你在最近的一篇文章中提到，光之力量是如何围绕太阳和地球创造一个戴森球体，以便在不久的将来调节来自银河系中央太阳的银河脉冲的强度(我们喜欢这些词"在不久的将来")。我们认为这是一个好消息，这是为这次事件中强大的、即将到来的银河系能量做准备。问题是，是否需要这些戴森球体来避免我们最终像亚特兰蒂斯一样？它们是在亚特兰蒂斯时代脉冲撞击地球时使用的吗？在其他经历过我们即将经历的行星上使用过吗？

Cobra:Those Dyson Spheres are used regularly when a planet goes through a phase transition like this.Every time the sun goes Mininova and when the conditions are correct,the planets with inhabited life are protected against excess radiation because strong solar pulses always create so much radiation that it might not be so easy to survive it.So this Dyson Sphere will filter out certain frequencies.It will regulate certain frequencies so that whatever we go through,we survive the process intact.

柯博拉:当行星经历这样的相变时，戴森球会被定期使用。每当太阳进入 Mininova 的时候，当条件正确的时候，有生命存在的行星就会受到过量辐射的保护，因为强烈的太阳脉冲总是会产生如此多的辐射，可能不会那么容易存活下来。所以这个戴森球体会过滤掉某些频率。它会调节特定的频率，这样无论我们经历什么，我们都能完好无损地存活下来。

Debra:Can you give us any insight into the technology that will create these spheres and will they be visible to us in any way?

黛布拉:你能告诉我们创造这些球体的技术是什么吗?我们能看到它们吗？

Cobra:Actually,they are not spheres,they are just called spheres.This is actually certain huge motherships put into certain sacred geometry position around the Earth and around the sun that create a quantum force field that filters out frequencies.They will be cloaked.They will not be visible.(I see,okay.)They might be visible at the moment of the polar shift and the final evacuation,but not before.

柯博拉:事实上，它们不是球体，它们只是被称为球体。这实际上是某些巨大的母舰放置在地球和太阳周围的某些神圣的几何位置上，创造出一个量子力场，过滤掉频率。它们会被隐形。他们不会被发现。(我明白了，好吧)它们可能在极移和最终撤离的时刻出现，但在此之前不会出现。

Debra:Okay.And have the Light Forces started this project,and how long does it take to align their ships?

黛布拉:好的。光之力量已经开始这个项目了吗?需要多长时间来校准他们的飞船？

Cobra:I would say they are in early initial phases of creating this.When the conditions in the solar system are correct,this can be done pretty fast.But conditions are not quite ready yet.But now I would say they are in the initial phases of building this.

柯博拉:我认为他们正处于创建这个系统的早期初始阶段。当太阳系的条件正确的时候，这可以很快完成。但是条件尚未完全准备好。但是现在我可以说，他们正处于建设这个项目的初期阶段。

Debra:So,let's get an update on the conditions.Since much of the non-physical planes have been cleared,what is left to clear and is actually sustaining the powerbase of the dark forces still at this point?

黛布拉:那么，让我们了解一下最新的情况。既然大部分非物质层已经被清理干净，那么还有什么需要清理，而且实际上还在维持着黑暗势力的动力基础呢？

Cobra:I will not give any updates upon this before the meditation and the petition process is completed.

柯博拉:在冥想和请愿过程完成之前，我不会给出任何更新。

Debra:Okay.But we can get something afterwards?

黛布拉:好吧。但是我们之后可以得到一些东西吗？

Cobra:Yes.There will be an update after that at a certain point.

柯博拉:是的。在那之后的某个时刻会有一个更新。

Debra:Okay,good.Are you able to give us an update on the progress of the toplet bombs?Are they still the greatest obstacles to the Event?

黛布拉:好的，很好。你能告诉我们最新的拆除顶夸克炸弹进展吗？它们仍然是事件的最大障碍吗？

Cobra:Yes.They are still the greatest obstacles.Yes.

柯博拉:是的，他们仍然是最大的障碍。

Debra:Has there been any progress made on this?

黛布拉:这方面有什么进展吗？

Cobra:There is progress ongoing,but this is a very tough subject.I mean,it's really,this has been really tough clearing those toplet bombs.It's a challenge,but there's progress being made.

柯博拉:目前正在取得进展，但这是一个非常棘手的问题。我的意思是，这真的，这真的很难清除那些炸弹。这是个挑战，但已经取得了一些进展。

Debra:Okay.So can you tell us,how do the Pleiadians and other Light Forces know how to address these esoteric,negative forces,such as the subquantum anomaly?Have they dealt with these types of things in the Pleiades or in their home planets?

黛布拉:好的。那么你能告诉我们，昴宿星人和其他光之力是如何知道如何解决这些深奥的负面力量，比如亚量子异常吗？他们在昴宿星团或者他们的母星上处理过这类事情吗？

Cobra:They have been dealing with this for,I would say,even millions of years,but it was always a challenge because this is in a way very advanced,that the dark forces are using advanced technology,which uses those principles.And in a way it's very chaotic;primary anomaly is unpredictable.It's hard to study.It's hard to contain.It's hard to process.It's hard to clear.And I would say in the last few years,the progress of the Light Forces is much,much,much greater than it was ever in the past because they are learning key ingredients to this,because this is simply the last few things to clear.Everything else had been resolved in the galaxy.So this is the toughest,the most challenging part(s),and there is progress being made daily now.

柯博拉:他们处理这个问题已经有几百万年了，但这一直是个挑战，因为这是一种非常先进的方式，黑暗势力正在使用先进的技术，使用这些原理。在某种程度上，它是非常混乱的;主要异常是不可预测的。很难研究。难以控制。难以接受。很难清理。我想说，在过去的几年里，光之力量的进步比以往任何时候都要大得多，因为他们正在学习这方面的关键因素，因为这仅仅是最后几件需要清理的事情。银河系里其他的一切都已经解决了。所以这是最困难，最具挑战性的部分，现在每天都在取得进展。

Debra:Okay.Are you able to assure us that they will be able to clear this anomaly?

黛布拉:好的。你能向我们保证他们能够清除这种异常现象吗？

Cobra:They will be,yes.The question is only how we get to the point of the Event.I mean,we will get there,the road to get there is rough,but we are getting there slowly.

柯博拉:他们会的。问题是我们怎样才能到达事件的关键点。我的意思是，我们会到达那里，到达那里的道路是崎岖的，但是我们正在慢慢地到达那里。

Debra:Yes.Can we talk about the Central Race?I know in one of our previous mass meditations,we got their attention.How are they involved with this now?And also people are curious what they look like.

黛布拉:是的。我们能谈谈中央种族吗？我知道在我们之前的一次集体冥想中，我们引起了他们的注意。他们现在是怎么参与进来的？人们也很好奇他们长什么样子。

Cobra:Yes,they are giving great assistance to the Galactic Confederation.They are giving great assistance with the Dyson Spheres,with clearing of the solar system,with clearing of the primary anomaly,of subquantum anomaly,of the toplet bombs.They are working with all this,and they are giving a lot of assistance to the whole process.

柯博拉:是的，他们给予银河联邦很大的帮助。他们在戴森球方面提供了巨大的帮助，清理了太阳系，清理了主要的异常，亚量子异常，顶夸克炸弹。他们致力于所有这些工作，他们在整个过程中提供了大量的帮助。

Debra:Okay,good.And can you give us a clue as to what they look like?

黛布拉:好的，很好。你能告诉我们他们长什么样吗？

Cobra:It's hard to describe.They are very high dimensional beings.They don't manifest in shape and form.They have never been in the physical.So they are like more energetic beings.They are not physical.They don't have a concrete shape.They could of course take any shape they wanted if they chose to manifest,but they have never done that.

柯博拉:很难描述。它们是非常高维的生物。他们不会以形状和形式显现出来。它们从来没有在实体中出现过。所以他们更像是能量的生物。他们不是物质上的。它们没有具体的形状。他们当然可以选择任何他们想要的形状，如果他们选择显化，但是他们从来没有这样做过。

Debra:That's exactly how I pictured them.Okay,thank you for answering that.Let's talk a little bit about the implants.You stated that the implants are not quantumly entangled anymore,and that the Light Forces have started with gradual clearing of these.As you know,there is an international group of us that conduct free implant clearing sessions for Lightworkers on an ongoing basis to help clear these.Can you tell us how these sessions are making an impact,both for the people that are attending and on a collective level?Back in May you stated,"Quantum fluctuation directly related to human implants and biochips are clearing better than expected.Spacetime distortion created by the implants and biochips is being reduced fast and drastically.And this has resulted in a significant decrease of human emotion volatility in the last few weeks."So Cobra,we are wondering if this confirms the effectiveness of these sessions?And are these sessions an important support for the Light Forces and planetary liberation?

黛布拉:这正是我想象中的他们。谢谢你回答这个问题。我们来谈谈植入物吧。你说过植入物不再是量子纠缠的了，光的力量已经开始逐渐清除这些纠缠。正如你所知道的，我们有一个国际组织，为 Lightworkers 进行免费的植入物清理会议，以帮助清理这些物质。你能告诉我们这些会议是如何产生影响的吗?无论是对参加会议的人还是在集体层面上？回到五月份，你曾说过，"与人体植入物和生物芯片直接相关的量子涨落比预期的更清晰。植入物和生物芯片造成的时空失真正在迅速而彻底地减少。在过去的几周里，这已经导致了人类情绪波动的显著减少。"所以 Cobra，我们想知道这是否证实了这些疗程的有效性？这些会议是对光之力量和行星解放的重要支持吗？

Cobra:Yes,those sessions have assisted quite much,and I would encourage everybody who is involved in those sessions,if they feel so guided,to continue and actually to expand those sessions,because this is a really helpful tool for the Light Forces to clear implants faster and more efficiently.

柯博拉:
是的，这些会议帮助很大，我会鼓励每个参与这些会议的人，如果他们觉得自己受到了指导，继续并实际上扩大这些会议，因为这是一个非常有用的工具，可以让光明力量更快、更有效地清除植入物。

Debra:Okay,great.Thank you.I was going to ask if you felt that it was important that we continue these.Is there anything that we can do to add to these protocols to make them more effective and to accelerate the planetary liberation?

黛布拉:好的，很好。谢谢。我想问你是否觉得我们继续这样做很重要。我们能做些什么来增加这些协议使它们更有效并加速行星的解放吗？

Cobra:At this point,the protocols which are now in use are still okay.There might be an upgrade at some point after the meditation or there might not be,we will see how things develop.There is a possibility of a certain update.

柯博拉:在这一点上，现在正在使用的协议仍然没有问题。冥想之后可能会有升级，也可能没有，我们会看到事情的发展。有一种可能性是确定的更新。

Debra:Absolutely,sounds good.And you've stated before that the only location where toplet bombs still remain is within the implants inside the energy field of human beings,where a black hole singularity exists.So by doing these exercises to help dissolve our implants,are we in essence assisting the Light Forces in dissolving the remaining toplet bombs?

黛布拉:当然，听起来不错。你之前说过，炸弹残留的唯一地点是人类能量场中的植入物，那里存在着一个黑洞奇点。所以通过做这些练习来帮助溶解我们的植入物，我们实质上是在帮助光之力溶解剩余的炸弹吗？

Cobra:We are assisting them,for them it gets easier to access the toplet bombs.We are not dealing with the toplet bombs directly,it is simply too dangerous,but we are assisting the Light Forces to get better access to this and to approach this in a way that is safe and efficient.

柯博拉:我们正在协助他们，因为他们越来越容易接近炸弹了。我们没有直接处理顶夸克炸弹，这实在是太危险了，但我们正在协助光明势力获得更好的途径，并以一种安全和有效的方式处理这个问题。

Debra:Okay,good,good.We know that the implants cannot be fully removed until the Event,but for those people that attend on a regular basis,what are some of the benefits that they could experience?Are they actually dissolving their implants?

黛布拉:好，很好，很好。我们知道，植入物不能完全移除，直到事件，但是对于那些人来说，定期参加，他们可以经历的一些好处是什么？他们真的会溶解他们的植入物吗？

Cobra:What people can achieve is deprogramming,dissolution of limiting belief systems,liberation of consciousness.That can definitely be a result of this clearing process.People can gather their experiences and they can post it somewhere for inspiration,people who are working on this.

柯博拉:人们可以实现的是解除程序，解散有限的信仰体系，解放意识。这肯定是这个清理过程的结果。人们可以收集他们的经验，他们可以把它贴在某个地方寻找灵感，那些正在从事这方面工作的人。

Debra:Oh,that's a good idea,thank you.And we will share that with our audience.We've been asked before,are there also good implants?

黛布拉:哦，这是个好主意，谢谢。我们会和我们的观众分享的。之前有人问过我们，是否也有好的植入物？

Cobra:Can you repeat that question?

柯博拉:你能重复一下这个问题吗？

Debra:Are there also good implants,positive ones that benefit us?

黛布拉:是否也有好的植入物，正面的植入物对我们有益？

Cobra:I would not call them good implants,but there were certain races which are in the intermediate state of development that are putting implants with good intention for communication,for scanning,for healing.This was done a lot in Atlantis.It was done also on the ships of certain extraterrestrial races,but I would say this is outdated and old technology.

柯博拉:我不认为他们是好的植入物，但是有一些种族处于居间态的发展中，他们植入的植入物具有良好的沟通、扫描和愈合的意图。这在亚特兰蒂斯做了很多。它也是在某些外星种族的飞船上完成的，但是我要说这是过时的技术。

Debra:Okay.I'd like to ask you a question about the Age of Aquarius.Last December solstice,we did a successful meditation and reached critical mass,and during our interview for that,you mentioned that if a critical mass was achieved,we might be able to see positive results within one to two months following.And of course,many people were expecting more utopian type results in 2021,rather than the chaos that has ensued.We understand that in the dismantling of the matrix some chaos is expected,but many are wondering how,and when,we will experience the energies of the Age of Aquarius?I would like to point out a statement you made in August that said,"After the purification of Rigelian forces that invaded Earth in 1996 is over by mid/late October,it will be expectedly much easier to manifest the dreams of the Age of Aquarius on the surface of the planet."So Cobra,could you elaborate on all this please?Will the Age of Aquarius naturally happen collectively on its own in its own time,or do we each have to make a proactive,committed effort to manifest it for ourselves in our own individual life?

黛布拉:好。我想问你一个关于水瓶座时代的问题。去年12月至日，我们做了一次成功的冥想，达到了临界质量，在我们对此的采访中，你提到，如果达到了临界质量，我们可能会在一到两个月内看到积极的结果。当然，许多人期待2021年会有更多乌托邦式的结果，而不是随之而来的混乱。我们知道在分解矩阵的过程中会出现一些混乱，但是很多人想知道我们将如何以及何时体验到水瓶座时代的能量？我想指出你在8月份所作的一项声明:"在1996年入侵地球的参宿七力量的净化工作于10月中下旬结束之后，预计在地球表面实现水瓶座时代的梦想将会容易得多。"眼镜蛇，你能详细说明一下吗？水瓶时代会自然而然地在它自己的时间内集体发生，还是我们每个人都必须做出积极主动的努力，在我们自己的个人生活中展现它？

Cobra:There are two factors involved here.The first one is there is simply more darkness than anybody expected,I expected,the Resistance Movement expected,or the Light Forces expected.And the second factor is there is less cooperation and more egoism and more stupidity among the Lightworkers than anybody expected.So those two factors combined have resulted in this process being less pleasant and more challenging than I initially expected.So it is hard to determine how this will play out,but I would say the more people hold the Light,the more people cooperate in a positive way,the more people develop and manifest common sense together with a spirit of cooperation,the more,the easier our roles will be.Of course,the dark forces will try to challenge that,this is their nature,this is a war,and of course they want to win when they're in the war,and they will do whatever they can to win.They will not win,but they will do whatever they can to disturb this process.But if we manifest more unity,that will be a very powerful protection against that.So it's a matter of two forces interacting.On the positive side,we have those Lightworkers who are cooperating and who are manifesting common sense.And on the other side,we have the dark forces that are already cooperating and that are using their strategy in a way that is much more efficient than I have seen among most of the Lightworkers.And then we have the Light Forces clearing the exotic technologies,and they cannot intervene directly before the threat of exotic technologies is removed.So this is the situation now.We have much power in our hands to make the rest of this journey easier.

柯博拉:这里有两个因素。第一个是黑暗比任何人预期的都要多，我预期的是抵抗运动，或者是光明力量。第二个因素是，光之工作者之间的合作比任何人想象的都少，更加自私，更加愚蠢。所以这两个因素结合在一起，导致这个过程比我最初预期的更不愉快，更具挑战性。因此，很难确定这将如何发展，但我想说，越多的人掌握光，越多的人以积极的方式合作，越多的人发展和显示常识与合作精神，我们的角色将越容易。当然，黑暗势力会试图挑战这一点，这是他们的天性，这是一场战争，当然，他们在战争中想要赢得胜利，他们会尽一切努力去赢得胜利。他们不会赢，但是他们会尽一切努力来扰乱这个过程。但是如果我们表现出更多的团结，这将是一个非常有力的保护对抗。所以这是两种力相互作用的问题。从积极的一面来看，我们有那些光之工作者，他们正在合作，他们正在显示常识。另一方面，我们有黑暗势力，他们已经在合作，他们正在以一种比我在大多数光之工作者中看到的更有效率的方式使用他们的策略。然后光明势力清除了外来技术，在外来技术的威胁消除之前，他们不能直接干预。这就是现在的情况。我们手中握有很大的权力，可以让接下来的旅程变得更加容易。

Debra:Well,you said something very important in terms of our unity is what will offer us powerful protection against the dark.And so that is a note that we really need to unite.

黛布拉:嗯，你说过一些非常重要的事情，关于我们的团结，是什么将提供给我们对抗黑暗的强大保护。这就是我们真正需要团结的地方。

Cobra:Yes.And of course,most people will not take me seriously and they will still not cooperate,and we will have more mandates,more of the same until the breakthrough happens.This is most likely what would happen.I'm not very hopeful again,I have seen enough of human nature to see how people behave.But there'll be a point when enough of the negative,exotic technologies will be removed and the Light Forces will make the breakthrough,and then of course,this war will be over,it will not matter anymore,this will be a total game changer.

柯博拉:是的。当然，大多数人不会认真对待我，他们仍然不会合作，我们将有更多的授权，更多的相同，直到突破发生。这是最有可能发生的。我再次不抱希望了，我已经看到了足够多的人性，看到了人们的行为。但总有一天，足够多的负面的，奇异的技术会被光之力量移除会取得突破，然后，当然，这场战争将会结束，它将不再重要，这将是一个彻底的游戏规则改变者。

Part 3:Current Events

Debra:I would like to talk to you about the current state of the planet,and you know,of course,the biggest topic everyone is talking about is the virus and all that's related to it.As you said,the dark is quite more powerful than anyone expected;so with this current timeline that we're on,are we heading to disaster?And if this is the case,can you tell us what is coming?What really is the probability that in our future we will experience a dystopian-type society of military-forced injections,quarantine camps,food shortages,AI takeover,etc.?

黛布拉:我想和你谈谈地球的现状，当然，你知道，每个人都在谈论的最大话题是病毒以及与之相关的一切。正如你所说，黑暗力量比任何人想象的都要强大;所以在我们现在所处的时间线上，我们是否正在走向灾难？如果是这样，你能告诉我们接下来会发生什么吗？真正的可能性是什么，在我们的未来，我们将经历一个反乌托邦式的社会，军事强制注射，检疫营地，粮食短缺，人工智能接管等等。？

Cobra:We are not heading towards disaster;we are in a tug of war.We are now in a situation where both sides are equally powerful and are opposing the other.So the good guys are opposing all this and the bad guys want to manifest this.On one hand,we have a slow collapse of the society,on the other hand,we have a big awakening happening.People who haven't seen what's going on even a few months ago now are opening their eyes,and they see,and there is a massive positive non-compliance happening also at the same time.So we have a dynamic equilibrium between both dark and the Light agendas here.Both sides are quite powerful,and I expect this tension to continue until the breakthrough happens.At some point,there will be more of the dark appearing to win,at some point there will be more of the Light appearing to win,and this equilibrium,these strong opposing forces in my expectations will continue like this until the breakthrough.And,of course,we are not going back into the old normal,this is not going to happen,this went too far.The old society has reached a point of no return in the summer of 2019 already,and this cannot be reversed,the only way is up,the only way is towards the Event.

柯博拉:我们并没有走向灾难，我们正处于一场拔河比赛中。我们现在的处境是双方势均力敌。所以好人反对这一切，而坏人想要证明这一点。一方面，我们的社会慢慢崩溃，另一方面，我们有一个巨大的觉醒发生。那些几个月前还不知道发生了什么的人现在睁开了眼睛，他们看到了，同时也发生了大量积极的不合规行为。所以我们在黑暗和光明的议程之间有一个动态平衡。双方都非常强大，我希望这种紧张关系能够持续下去，直到取得突破。在某些时候，会有更多的黑暗势力似乎要赢，在某些时候会有更多的光明势力似乎要赢，而这种平衡，这些强大的对立势力在我的预期中会一直这样，直到突破。当然，我们不会回到过去的常态，这不会发生，这已经走得太远了。旧社会在2019年的夏天已经到了一个不可逆转的地步，这是不可逆转的，唯一的出路是向上，唯一的出路是走向盛会。

Debra:So really,how far we descend into this dystopian society really kind of depends on...you said that the balance and the tipping of the scales to be more in favor of the Light.

黛布拉:所以说真的，我们堕落到这个反乌托邦社会的程度取决于......你说天平的平衡和倾斜更倾向于光明。

Cobra:If people get oppressed,they need to resist that oppression.I mean,peacefully,coherently,massively.If people say nothing,if people just comply,then it's easier for the dark forces to implement those measures.

柯博拉:如果人们受到压迫，他们需要抵制这种压迫。我的意思是，和平的，连贯的，大规模的。如果人们什么都不说，如果人们只是服从，那么黑暗势力就更容易实施这些措施。

Debra:Do you see more and more people waking up as time progresses and the awakening building?

黛布拉:随着时间的推移，你看到越来越多的人醒来了吗？

Cobra:I can see more people coming to a realization that something is not right,something is going on,people are beginning to question things.Of course,the alternative media has been poisoned with so much disinformation and when people begin to read all those articles and look at all of those videos,they get more confused,but at least they begin to question the official narrative,they begin to think,they begin to want to make their own choices,which is a very positive occurrence.It hasn't ever happened on such a massive scale before,this is the first time in human history we have hundreds of millions,if not billions of people for the first time questioning the official story.This has never happened before.

柯博拉:我看到越来越多的人开始意识到有些事情不对劲，有些事情正在发生，人们开始质疑。当然，另类媒体已经被如此多的虚假信息毒害了当人们开始阅读所有这些文章，看所有这些视频时，他们变得更加困惑，但至少他们开始质疑官方的叙述，他们开始思考，他们开始想要做出自己的选择，这是一个非常积极的事件。以前从未发生过如此大规模的事件这是人类历史上第一次有数亿人甚至数十亿人第一次质疑官方说法。这种情况以前从未发生过。

Debra:Okay.In July you stated that"a consensus has been reached within the Confederation that a drastic intervention will take place at the right moment on the surface of the planet.Not much can be said about this at the moment,apart from the fact that if the Cabal crosses a certain line,the intervention will come sooner and it will be harsher."So is this the intervention that we are meditating for on December 21st?And has that line been crossed?

黛布拉:好的。7月，你指出,"联邦内部已达成共识，将在地球表面的适当时机进行激烈干预。除了如果阴谋集团越过某条线，干预将会来得更快，而且会更加严厉这一事实之外，目前对此没有什么可说的。"那么，这就是我们在12月21日所考虑的干预吗？是否已经越过了这条界限？

Cobra:Okay.I would say the Light Forces did a mistake by issuing that statement and not understanding how life really is on the surface of the planet.They can have all the mathematical models of what is the tipping point,but for us on the surface is a different story.This is real life rather than just a graph on the wall,a graph on the screen,you know,so I would say that from the perspective of the surface population,the line has been crossed many times over.But they are dealing with a different scenarios,they're dealing with the different realities,they are dealing with preventing the explosion of the toplet bombs,and keeping the planet intact in one piece without the surface being wiped out,and they are preventing those kinds of scenarios.So I would not try to even speculate and guess where that line is,but I know it exists.

柯博拉:好的。我认为光之力量犯了一个错误，他们发表了这样的声明，却不了解地球表面的生命是如何存在的。他们可以得到引爆流行的所有数学模型，但对我们来说，表面上的情况就不同了。这是真实的生活，而不仅仅是墙上的图表，屏幕上的图表，你知道，所以我想说，从地表人口的角度来看，这条线已经跨越了很多次。但是他们面对的是不同的情况，他们面对的是不同的现实，他们面对的是防止炸弹的爆炸，他们面对的是保持地球完整，而不是地球表面被毁灭，他们正在防止这种情况的发生。所以我不会试图去推测和猜测这条线在哪里，但我知道它是存在的。

Debra:Do you have any idea how far they will let us into that dystopian society before they take that dramatic action that they mentioned?

黛布拉:你知道在他们采取他们提到的戏剧性行动之前，他们会让我们走多远进入那个反乌托邦社会吗？

Cobra:I don't want to comment on this.It's not something that I would like to.

柯博拉:我不想评论这件事，我不想评论这件事。

Debra:Okay.Can you tell us what the action would be by them?

黛布拉:好的。你能告诉我们他们的行动是什么吗？

Cobra:There are certain scenarios that are classified,I cannot talk about,but I would say,certain things are being prepared,but I don't want to give unnecessary hope.I don't want to create more speculation that might lead to nothing productive.

柯博拉:有些情况是保密的，我不能说，但我想说，有些事情已经准备好了，但我不想给不必要的希望。我不想制造更多可能导致毫无成效的猜测。

Debra:Right.Okay,I understand.Obviously,people are feeling the tension and we're all witnessing the panic and desperation of the dark.Would you say that based on that representation you showed us of the nucleation phases,would you say that we are at the boiling point?

黛布拉:对。好的，我明白了。显然，人们感受到了压力我们都见证了黑暗的恐慌和绝望。你会说，基于你给我们展示的成核阶段，你会说我们正处于沸点吗？

Cobra:Yes,we are in the last phase before the breakthrough,before the maximum terminal flux,which is the Event.So we are in that last phase,and the thermal flux is accelerating,which you can actually experience.All that tension that is felt is actually more and more energies flowing,more and more,I would say in terms of physics,more and more thermal flux occurring in the system.And it's increasing and it will keep increasing until the Event.So there will be more tension,more dynamic forces in play,until something breaks and that will be the moment of the Event.

柯博拉:是的，我们处于突破之前的最后阶段，在最大末端通量之前，也就是事件。我们正处于最后一个阶段，热通量正在加速，你可以体验到这一点。所有感觉到的张力实际上是越来越多的能量流动，越来越多，我想说，从物理学的角度来看，越来越多的热通量发生在系统中。它在不断增加，并且会一直增加，直到事件发生。所以会有更多的紧张，更多的动态力量在起作用，直到某些东西破裂，这就是事件发生的时刻。

Debra:Can you give us an idea of approximately how long we'll have to be in this boiling point?And as you say,"Hold on a little longer and withstand the siege"?

黛布拉:你能给我们一个大概的概念，我们要在这个沸点待多久？就像你说的"再坚持一会儿，抵挡住围攻"？

Cobra:No.No.I would say the best,if you are a situation like this,the common strategic sense would be to keep holding the Light,no matter how long it takes.Because if you let it go right now,if you surrender right now to this chaos,then it's not going to be fine.You need to keep your focus,you need to keep your light ongoing,holding that tension,holding that consciousness,that focus,until the breakthrough happens.

柯博拉:不。不。我想说，最好的情况是，如果你处在这样的情况下，通常的战略意识是，不管需要多长时间，都要保持光明。因为如果你现在放手，如果你现在屈服于这种混乱，事情就不会好起来。你需要保持专注，你需要让你的光持续，保持紧张，保持意识，保持专注，直到突破发生。

Debra:Okay.We do see the population that they're dividing into two;those who can clearly see the intentions of the deception taking place,and those who cannot see it for what it is.So if the Event cannot happen for some time,what is the Plan B of the Light Forces to help people who do not want to be a part of the world run by merciless Cabal?

黛布拉:好的。我们确实看到了他们一分为二的人口；那些可以清楚地看到欺骗发生的意图的人，以及那些看不到它的本质的人。那么，如果事件在一段时间内不能发生，那么光之军的B计划是什么，以帮助那些不想成为无情阴谋集团统治的世界的一部分的人？

Cobra:There is no Plan B.This is now the Gamma timeline,which calls for direct intervention.Since a few years ago,we were on Gamma timeline and this needs to happen,so there is no Plan B.It just needs to unravel until its final resolution.

柯博拉:没有 b 计划。这是伽马时间线，需要直接干预。几年前，我们在伽马时间线上，这是必须的，所以没有 b 计划。它只需要解开，直到最终解决。

Debra:And what did you say?It calls for what?

黛布拉:你说什么?需要什么？

Cobra:We are in this Gamma timeline;we need to keep on going until the intervention happens.

柯博拉:我们在伽马时间线上;我们需要继续前进，直到介入发生。

Debra:Okay.Understood.

黛布拉:好的，明白。

Cobra:People are waiting passively for the Event;this is not what I'm saying.I'm saying that you need to do whatever you can to make your life better,to manifest as good a life as possible,and in the circumstances that they are right now.But the Event is the final goal.We have been born for something greater.We have this higher purpose in mind as well.So both.This moment,live as good as possible,do your mission,and live your life in a way that is aligned with your divine plans.

柯博拉:人们在被动地等待事件的发生;我不是这个意思。我的意思是，你需要尽你所能让你的生活变得更好，尽可能地展现出一种美好的生活，在现在这种情况下。但事件才是最终目标。我们生来就是为了更伟大的事业。我们心中也有一个更高的目标。所以两者都是。此时此刻，尽可能好地生活，完成你的使命，以一种与你的神圣计划相一致的方式生活。

Debra:Okay.And what about people that are speaking up?You know,there's protests taking place all over the world to counteract the mandates and lockdowns.Would you talk about these huge demonstrations and tell us how effective they are?Are they getting the attention of the politicians and people in power?And do these help the energy of the Light Forces?

黛布拉:好的。那么那些站出来说话的人呢？你知道，世界各地都在举行抗议活动来抵消强制命令和封锁。你能谈谈这些大规模的示威活动并告诉我们它们有多有效吗？他们是否引起了政治家和当权者的注意？这些对光明力量的能量有帮助吗？

Cobra:Of course,the politicians are aware of all those demonstrations.Of course,they will ignore them.Of course,they will do nothing.They will pretend nothing is happening because they want to keep their positions,they want to keep their power.But energetically speaking,the coherence of the field is rising,the power of human consciousness against this New World Order takeover is rising,it's increasing in power until the breakthrough.So this is the counter force which prevents all those negative scenarios,like concentration camps,etcetera,from actually manifesting.It keeps them at bay.

柯博拉:当然，政客们知道所有这些示威活动。当然，他们不会理会。当然，他们什么也不会做。他们会假装什么都没发生，因为他们想保住自己的位置，保住自己的权力。但是从能量上来说，这个领域的凝聚力正在上升，人类意识反对新世界秩序接管的力量正在上升，它的力量正在上升，直到突破。所以这是一种反作用力，它阻止了所有负面情景，比如集中营等等，真正地显现出来。它让它们远离我们。

Debra:Okay,good.Is it likely that we'll get to a point where there's a global revolution on such a grand scale that it would bring some of the negative elites to their knees before the Event?

黛布拉:好的，很好。我们是否有可能达到这样一个程度:全球范围内发生如此大规模的革命，以至于一些消极的精英阶层会在事件发生前屈服？

Cobra:It is a possibility,as I said,it's a dynamic scenario with many rips and undercurrents and anything is possible.There was one possibility for a major revolution and an occurrence breaking through in September,which did not manifest,which is better because it was more peaceful.It could be quite violent,and we could not be having this conversation right now if it manifested.So if this revolutionary timeline manifests,it will be quite drastic,dynamic.It can have various outcomes.Some of them are pleasant,some of them are less pleasant.So we will see,it's impossible to predict,there are too many variables in this situation right now.

柯博拉:这是有可能的，就像我说的，这是一个动态的场景，有很多裂缝和暗流，一切皆有可能。有一种可能性是在九月发生一场大革命和一个突破性的事件，但这种可能性并没有显现出来，这种可能性更好，因为它更加和平。它可能是相当暴力的，如果它表现出来，我们现在就不可能进行这样的对话。所以如果这个革命性的时间线显现出来，它将是相当激烈的，动态的。可能会有各种各样的结果。有些是令人愉快的，有些则不那么令人愉快。所以我们将看到，这是不可能预测的，在这种情况下有太多的变数。

Debra:We know that the Light Forces are doing whatever they can to make sure that the transition is as smooth as possible with the matrix collapsing.What can we do here on the surface of the planet to help with that?

黛布拉:我们知道光之力量正在尽一切努力确保在矩阵崩溃的情况下过渡尽可能平稳。我们在地球表面能做些什么来帮助它呢？

Cobra:Okay.I will again say common sense.Common sense is very much needed.Everybody's so emotionally polarized and so easily swept with this current negativity in one way or the other.So common sense is very much needed.And a spirit of cooperation,which has been almost completely lost.The surface population never really understood how it is to cooperate.That is something that is completely natural in the rest of the universe.We are going to learn to cooperate.That's very important.

柯博拉:好的。我再说一遍常识。常识是非常必要的。每个人的情感都是两极分化的，并且很容易被当前的消极情绪以这样或那样的方式席卷。所以常识是非常必要的。还有一种合作精神，几乎已经完全丧失了。地表居民从未真正理解如何合作。这在宇宙的其他地方是完全自然的。我们要学会合作。这很重要。

Debra:Right.So let's get back to what's going on right on the surface.Can we assume that the Delta Option is no longer a possibility and that we are just going to go straight into the Event?Or is the Delta Option actually taking place already?

黛布拉:对。让我们回到表面上发生了什么。我们是否可以假设 Delta 选项不再是一种可能性，我们只是直接进入事件？或者 Delta 选项实际上已经发生了？

Cobra:No,that Delta option is still remotely possible,but not very likely.It was not triggered,because there were certain discussions to trigger this in January and February of this year when there were certain occurrences taking place,but the key people who would need to be part of this operation had too many weaknesses,they were too compromised,and the Light Forces have decided not to initiate them for that particular reason.Some of those weaknesses of those people are being exposed right now as I speak,in certain circles people might know what I'm talking about.

柯博拉:没有，Delta 选项仍然是遥远的可能性，但不太可能。它没有被触发，因为今年1月和2月进行了某些讨论，以触发这一行动，当时发生了某些事件，但需要参与这一行动的关键人物有太多的弱点，他们受到了太多的损害，光武装部队因为这一特殊原因决定不启动这些行动。就在我说话的时候，这些人的一些弱点正在暴露出来，在某些圈子里，人们可能知道我在说什么。

Debra:Interesting.You've said that the"Great Reset"proposed by the Cabal would not be successful,which is good news,and that the new financial system would be fair to everyone.Would you share if the planned financial system has changed from what you told us a few years ago?

黛布拉:有意思。你说过秘社提出的"大重置"不会成功，这是个好消息，新的金融体系对每个人都是公平的。如果计划中的金融体系与你几年前告诉我们的相比有所改变，你会与我们分享吗？

Cobra:The basic plan is still the same.There might be some technical improvements because the world has changed a bit,but the basic plan is still the same.

柯博拉:基本计划还是一样的。可能会有一些技术上的改进，因为世界已经发生了一些变化，但是基本计划仍然是一样的。

Debra:Okay.And,as usual,there are people in the alternative media that say that mass arrests are happening,but you have stated many times that mass arrests will happen only at the time of the Event.

黛布拉:好的。和往常一样，有人在另类媒体上说，大规模逮捕正在发生，但你已经多次声明，大规模逮捕只会在事件发生时发生。

Cobra:They will happen at the time of the Event and there will be evidence,it will be in the mass media.It will not be on some obscure-alternative website without proof.It will be very much evident;it will be everywhere.

柯博拉:他们会在事件发生的时候发生，而且会有证据，会在大众媒体上出现。它不会出现在没有证据的模糊的替代网站上。它将是非常明显的，它将无处不在。

Debra:Okay.And you've also stated that the Positive Military will NOT move before all extraterrestrial and subterranean threats are removed,and most exotic weapons are removed from the surface.Can you speak a little more about the update of the removal of these things?Is that what we're going to get after the activation on the 21st?

黛布拉:好的。你也说过，在所有地外和地下的威胁被消除之前，正面军队是不会行动的，而且大多数外来武器都被从地表移除了。你能谈谈这些东西的最新消除情况吗？这就是我们在21号激活之后会得到的吗？

Cobra:After the activation,because activation is changing certain things and I would like to do an update after this is done.

柯博拉:在激活之后，因为激活正在改变某些事情，我想在这之后做一个更新。

Debra:Okay,and we are trusting that those changes will be very positive and there will be very great news with that one.What about the seismic activity around the world that some are speculating are related to further activity in the DUMBS?Can you elaborate what may be happening?We've been doing meditations for the hostages in the underground bases.What is the status of clearing these of both human and extraterrestrial hostages?

黛布拉:好的，我们相信这些变化将是非常积极的，而且会有非常好的消息。世界各地的地震活动是否与 DUMBS 的进一步活动有关？你能详细描述一下可能发生的事情吗？我们一直在为地下基地的人质做冥想。清除人质和外星人质的情况如何？

Cobra:The process is ongoing.I would say a vast majority of this has been cleared already,but not all of it.So compared to what was the situation last year,it's a huge,huge progress.

柯博拉:行动正在进行中。我想说大部分已经被清除了，但不是全部。所以与去年的情况相比，这是一个巨大的进步。

Debra:Very good.So it looks like the meditations are helping

黛布拉:很好，看起来冥想起作用了

Cobra:Yes,very much so.

柯博拉:是的，非常有帮助。

Debra:Very good.And some respected alternative news sources are saying that in the United States there are hospitals that have whole sections that are closed.And in these areas of the hospitals there are med beds and that the rescued children[and adults are being helped there].

黛布拉:很好。一些受人尊敬的新闻来源说，在美国，有些医院的整个部门都是关闭的。在医院的这些区域有医疗床，获救的儿童(和成年人正在那里得到帮助)。

Cobra:Not true.

柯博拉:不对。

Debra:Okay.Thank you for clarifying that.And you talked in the past how America is"The New Atlantis"with support from St.Germain in freeing America from the mind control and corruption that has been going on for about 150 years here.Why is the United States important in freeing the planet?

黛布拉:好的。谢谢你澄清这一点。你曾经说过美国是"新亚特兰蒂斯"在 st.Germain 的支持下使美国摆脱了150年来一直存在的思想控制和腐败。为什么美国在解放地球上如此重要？

Cobra:Yes,actually St.Germain has been very active more than 200 years ago in the United States to set a foundation for the New Atlantis,for new society.He was involved in the creation of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence,and that is a very solid foundation.If used properly,it could already bring the new society.But again,people are imperfect,so that's why it takes time.But the foundation is very solid,it is still there,and it has a huge potential in the coming years when things change.

柯博拉:是的，实际上圣日耳曼(st.Germain)在200多年前在美国一直非常活跃，为新亚特兰蒂斯(New Atlantis)和新社会奠定基础。他参与了美国宪法的制定和美国独立宣言的发表，这是一个非常坚实的基础。如果运用得当，它已经可以带来新的社会。但是，人是不完美的，这就是为什么它需要时间。但是基础是非常坚实的，它仍然存在，并且在未来几年当事情发生变化的时候，它有着巨大的潜力。

Debra:And St.Germain also has connections to France,because you mentioned that the United States and France are really central to planetary liberation.Is this why France is also important?

黛布拉:圣日耳曼(st.Germain)也和法国有联系，因为你提到美国和法国是行星解放的中心。这就是为什么法国也很重要吗？

Cobra:Yes,Saint Germain was active in France and also serving other people,certain other groups,which are quite important.Paris in France is a very important trigger point which might accelerate things when the time is right.

柯博拉:是的，圣日耳曼在法国很活跃，也为其他人服务，某些其他的团体，这是非常重要的。法国的巴黎是一个非常重要的触发点，当时机成熟的时候，它可能会加速事情的发展。

Debra:Okay.And what can you tell us about the Queen of England?It appears that she's quite weak and perhaps has died.Ben Fulford recently made it appear that the Queen is a"good guy".So what is happening there with the Queen of England?The British Royal family appears to be in transition.So can you talk about this at all?

黛布拉:好的。你能告诉我们关于英国女王的事吗？看起来她很虚弱，可能已经死了。本·富尔福德最近表示，女王是个"好人"。那么英国女王到底是怎么回事呢？英国王室似乎正处于过渡期。你能谈谈这件事吗？

Cobra:I would say there have been certain negotiations and certain changes happening between different factions of the Cabal.The Jesuit faction wants depopulation of the Earth.And the Rothschilds are more inclined towards the Great Reset,Klaus Schwab-type Great Reset"You will own nothing and you will be happy",more like a techno-feudalism type of society without mass exterminations.And the Rothschilds therefore see themselves as the"good guys",and as the"good guys",the Queen of England is very much connected to the Rothschilds,and she sees herself as a good person actually,because she's against the depopulation of the Earth.Of course,we will not agree with her assessment of the situation.There has been a lot of propaganda from the Rothschilds in the last week or so about this,and of course,I will take this with a grain of salt.This is not exactly the type of future we want to manifest.We are speaking about real life and a real Galactic society.We are not speaking about their type of techno-feudalist dystopian society they want to create.

柯博拉:我认为秘社的不同派别之间已经进行了某些谈判和某些变化。耶稣会派系希望地球人口减少。罗斯柴尔德家族更倾向于大重置，克劳斯•施瓦布(Klaus schwab)式的大重置"你将一无所有，你将感到幸福"，更像是一个没有大规模灭绝的技术封建主义社会。因此，罗斯柴尔德家族认为自己是"好人"，作为"好人"，英国女王与罗斯柴尔德家族关系密切，她认为自己实际上是个好人，因为她反对地球人口减少。当然，我们不会同意她对形势的评价。过去一周左右，罗斯柴尔德家族对此进行了大量宣传，当然，我对此持保留态度。这并不完全是我们想要展现的未来。我们谈论的是真实的生活和一个真实的银河社会。我们不是在谈论他们想要创造的那种技术封建主义的反乌托邦社会。

Debra:Is one side or the other stronger?One side you said was looking for depopulation,and the other side is looking for more of almost like a communist socialist society.

黛布拉:是一边强还是另一边强？你说的一方在寻求人口减少，而另一方在寻求更像是一个共产主义社会主义社会。

Cobra:Well,it's about half-half right now.(Ok)But this can change.This is the situation right at this moment,but this can change.

柯博拉:嗯，现在大约是一半。(好的)但是这可以改变。现在的情况就是这样，但这是可以改变的。

Debra:Yes.Well,we want both of them to go away,so that's the change we're looking for.

黛布拉:是的。嗯，我们希望他们两个都消失，所以这就是我们要找的改变。

Cobra:Both of them WILL go away.

柯博拉:他们两个都会消失。

Debra:Yes.Would you elaborate on what would be important to share regarding the Ghislaine Maxwell trial and it's significance at this point?

黛布拉:是的。你能详细说明一下在吉斯兰·麦克斯韦案件中有哪些重要信息需要分享，以及这些信息在当前的重要意义吗？

Cobra:Yes,actually that is a very good opportunity for certain things to come into mainstream media,and probably some of them will come in the mainstream media.It will be reported and there will be a lot of talk about it.This is a good potential for the next step of disclosure or exposure of what's happening behind the scenes in the Cabal.And this can serve as another trigger for awakening,for people to see what is really going on on this planet.

柯博拉:是的，实际上这是一个非常好的机会，让某些东西进入主流媒体，而且可能其中一些会进入主流媒体。它会被报道，会有很多关于它的讨论。这是揭露或揭露秘社幕后真相的下一步良好潜力。这可以作为另一个觉醒的触发器，让人们看到这个星球上到底发生了什么。

Debra:So you're saying that the Cabal media will actually report some truth?

黛布拉:你是说秘社媒体会报道一些真相？

Cobra:They will be forced to because it will be everywhere.I mean,there are enough journalists,there is enough awareness right now,that this cannot be swept under the rug.It cannot be hidden anymore.

柯博拉:他们会被迫这样做，因为它将无处不在。我的意思是，现在有足够多的记者，足够多的人意识到，这不能被掩盖起来。不能再隐瞒下去了。

Debra:Okay,good.What about Elon Musk?He's gone back and forth between working for the Light,working for the dark.What is the Starlink connected to?

黛布拉:好的，很好。那埃隆·马斯克呢？他在为光明工作和为黑暗工作之间来回奔波。星际链接和什么有关？

Cobra:Starlink is actually not a good idea.It's been used by the Chimera to reinforce the quarantine.Elon Musk is sometimes simply too naive.He has certain good ideas,but he is easily manipulated.He doesn't have bad intentions at his core,but he has been manipulated.Certain decisions that he made were not exactly very bright.

柯博拉:星际链接实际上不是个好主意。它被奇美拉用来加强隔离。埃隆·马斯克有时候太天真了。他有一些好的想法，但是他很容易被操纵。他的内心并没有恶意，但是他已经被操纵了。他做出的某些决定并不是很明智。

Debra:Thank you for sharing that.What about 5G technologies?Should we be concerned about that anymore at this point?

黛布拉:谢谢你的分享。那么5G技术呢?我们现在还应该关注它吗？

Cobra:Of course,it's not the healthiest and the best,but I would not be overly concerned at this point.I would be more concerned about the things I was talking about–about common sense,about cooperation,about manifesting a new world.This is something that people need to focus upon.

柯博拉:当然，它不是最健康和最好的，但是在这一点上我不会过分担心。我会更关心我所谈论的事情——关于常识，关于合作，关于显现一个新世界。这是人们需要关注的东西。

Debra:Good point.You've mentioned cyberattacks before as being a good possibility in our future.Are those still on the agenda,are they a concern?

黛布拉:说得好。你之前提到过网络攻击是我们未来的一个很好的选择。那些还在议程上吗，他们是否值得关注？

Cobra:Yes,they are still on the agenda of the dark forces.They have plans to manifest this,but the Light Forces are working against this as well,so we will see.

柯博拉:是的，他们仍然在黑暗势力的议程上。他们计划显化这一点，但是光明力量也在反对这一点，所以我们拭目以待。

Debra:Okay.Let's talk about the Congo vortex.Is that still the master key for the energy grid around the planet?And what is the status of it?

黛布拉:好的。我们来谈谈刚果漩涡。这仍然是全球能量网络的关键吗？现在是什么情况？

Cobra:It is one of the master keys.It has been partially damaged again.The Light Forces are working on it,but it's not in excellent condition,it is not.So there needs to be some healing work done on this vortex.

柯博拉:这是一把万能钥匙。它又部分损坏了。光之力量正在对它进行修复，但它的状况并不是很好。所以这个漩涡需要一些治疗工作。

Debra:Okay.Are there places in the world where negative entities and elites take refuge together?We ask this because we would like to know where to make Buddhic Columns to help the Light Forces to cleanse energetically.

黛布拉:好的。世界上有没有一些地方是负面实体和精英们共同避难的地方？我们问这个问题是因为我们想知道在哪里建造菩提光术来帮助光明力量进行能量的净化。

Cobra:Well,there are locations around the world where there is a tendency for the entities to gather.I would not specify those locations because this is not for the mass humanity right now to put focus upon.At some point if people would like to clear this with Buddhic Columns,people can contact me,or the key persons can contact me,and I can give some of the locations to be cleared,but this is not to be shared with the public right now.

柯博拉:嗯，世界上有些地方，存在着实体聚集的趋势。我不会详细说明这些地点，因为这不是大规模人类现在关注的焦点。在某个时候，如果人们想用菩提光柱来清理这个，人们可以联系我，或者关键人物可以联系我，我可以给出一些需要清理的地点，但是现在不能与公众分享。

Debra:Yes,thank you,I was just going to ask you if we could contact you directly to find out,so thank you.So the insanity of the current agenda is helping people to wake up,but it's happening at a slow rate considering the circumstances and dangers that are around us.We know that waking people up helps to bring planetary liberation sooner,and many of us are doing our best,but we are labeled crazy and"conspiracy theorists"when we try to explain about the war that we're in.How can we best open the eyes of others to what is going on in the world?

黛布拉:是的，谢谢你，我只是想问你我们是否可以直接联系你来了解情况，所以谢谢你。所以当前的疯狂议程正在帮助人们清醒过来，但是考虑到我们周围的环境和危险，它发生的速度很慢。我们知道，唤醒人们有助于更快地带来地球的解放，我们中的许多人都在尽最大努力，但当我们试图解释我们所处的战争时，我们被贴上了疯狂和"阴谋论者"的标签。我们怎样才能最好地让别人看到世界上正在发生的事情？

Cobra:You cannot,you cannot open the eyes of others.They need to do this for themselves.And you will be labelled"conspiracy theorists"if you try to open the eyes of another person who is not ready for it.So I would say you can share this,but share it only with those who are ready.You don't force this upon anybody because many are simply not ready.

柯博拉:你不能，你不能睁开别人的眼睛。他们需要为自己这样做。如果你试图打开另一个没有准备好的人的眼睛，你会被贴上"阴谋论者"的标签。所以我想说你可以分享这个，但是只能分享给那些准备好的人。你不会强迫任何人这样做，因为很多人根本就没有准备好。

Debra:Yeah,because people get frustrated,and I feel like what you're telling us is it's most important to really keep our own vibration high and find our own joy in whatever way works for us.

黛布拉:是的，因为人们会感到沮丧，我觉得你告诉我们的是，最重要的是保持我们自己的振动高，并找到我们自己的快乐，无论什么方式对我们有用。

Cobra:Yeah,if you are really successful in this,people will feel that you have a different vibration,that you are somehow different.They will go to you with their questions,and then you can explain to them what´s going on.

柯博拉:是的，如果你在这方面真的很成功，人们会觉得你有一种不同的振动，你在某种程度上是不同的。他们会向你提出问题，然后你可以向他们解释发生了什么。

Part 4:The Event and Ascension

Debra:I'd like to move on to talking about the Event and Ascension.What are some of the signs that we're getting close to the Event?Are we starting to see them now?

黛布拉:我想继续谈论事件和升天。有什么迹象表明我们正在接近这个事件？我们现在看到它们了吗？

Cobra:Not yet.As I said,this will be very much visible a few weeks before the Event,not before.

柯博拉:还没有。正如我所说，这将是非常明显的事件前几个星期，而不是之前。

Debra:Okay.And I have to just ask this right away too,because this is the one question that everybody is wondering…the question here:Are you able to share with us an updated Ascension Plan?

黛布拉:好的。我也必须马上问这个问题，因为这是每个人都想知道的一个问题...这里的问题是:你能和我们分享一个最新的升天计划吗？

Cobra:I will be able to share that when I will be able to share that,and not before.

柯博拉:我将能够分享，当我将能够分享，而不是之前。

Debra:Okay.The time frame?Are we talking after the Solstice meditation?

黛布拉:好的。时间框架?我们是在夏至冥想之后讨论吗？

Cobra:I am not saying anything.Whenever they give the green light,they will give the green light.And when they give the green light,I will share it.Not before.

柯博拉：我什么都没说。只要他们同意。当他们开绿灯的时候，我也会分享。在那之前不行。

Debra:Okay.Can you at least tell us,since it's almost 2022 and the Event has not yet happened,does the Ascension window still close in July of 2025?

黛布拉:好吧。你能不能至少告诉我们，现在已经快2022年了，而且这个事件还没有发生，升天窗口在2025年7月还会关闭吗？

Cobra:Actually it closes in August 2025,but yeah,this is the time when the portal closes.

柯博拉:实际上它将在2025年8月关闭，但是没错，这是传送门关闭的时间。

Debra:Okay.So we do know that things need to happen before that.Okay.Thank you for sharing that.So Lightworkers have had to endure much suffering while being here in 3D,often being denied financial resources,healthy bodies,ideal relationships,and many of the joys of living a life of freedom here on Earth.We know that all of that will change for us after the Event,but will there be time after the Event to enjoy our new 3D world before ascending into 5D?In the original Ascension Plan that you gave us,you said it was about one to two years between the breakthrough and the start of the First Wave.So people are wondering,will we be able to enjoy the benefits that the Event brings while we are still here in 3D Earth?

黛布拉:好。所以我们知道事情需要在那之前发生。好的。谢谢你的分享。因此，光之工作者在3D世界中不得不忍受许多痛苦，经常被剥夺了经济资源、健康的身体、理想的人际关系以及在地球上自由生活的许多乐趣。我们知道这一切都将在事件之后改变，但是事件之后会有时间在提升到5D之前享受我们新的3F世界吗？在你给我们的最初的扬升计划中，你说从突破到第一波的开始大约需要一到两年的时间。所以人们想知道，当我们还在3D 地球上的时候，我们是否能够享受这个事件带来的好处呢？

Cobra:The plan is that everybody will be able to enjoy enough time in a physical reality before the Ascension to integrate whatever they need to integrate.I will not give any timing right now for obvious reasons,but I would say that it's part of the growth process for everybody to have a joyful physical life for a certain amount of time that is necessary before the Ascension.

柯博拉:计划是每个人都能够在扬升之前在物质实相中享受足够的时间来整合他们需要整合的任何东西。出于显而易见的原因，我现在不会给出任何时间，但是我想说，在扬升之前的一定时间里，每个人都有一个快乐的物质生活，这是成长过程的一部分。

Debra:Yeah,because people feel like they've waited a long time for some of these joys to come to them.So as we understand it,we will ascend in our physical bodies.So does that mean once we have ascended to 5D,that we will still be able to enjoy physical type things,such as eating a fine meal,doing your favorite hobbies,dancing,lovemaking…?

黛布拉:是的，因为人们觉得他们已经等待了很长时间，等待这些快乐降临到他们身上。据我们所知，我们将在肉体中提升。那么，这是否意味着，一旦我们提升到5D，我们仍然可以享受身体类型的事情，比如吃一顿丰盛的大餐，做你最喜欢的爱好，跳舞，做爱...？

Cobra:All that will happen before the Ascension.When the Ascension happens,you will have all that integrated.You have no more need for that,and you will have no more need for the physical body.You will be able to manifest the hologram of the physical body,but it will not be a real physical body.You will not be incarnation anymore because you will not need that anymore.

柯博拉:所有这些都会在扬升之前发生。当扬升发生的时候，你们将会把所有这些都整合起来。你不再需要这些，你也不再需要肉体。你将能够显化物质身体的全息图，但它将不是一个真正的物质身体。你将不再是肉身，因为你不再需要肉身。

Debra:So you're saying when once Ascended,a lot of those things will not hold the same importance that they do now.

黛布拉:所以你是说，一旦升天，很多事情就不会像现在这么重要了。

Cobra:Exactly.Exactly.(Okay)We will have to accelerate the interview a little bit,maybe half an hour more,but then we'll have to finish.

柯博拉:没错。 (好的)我们将不得不加快一点采访，也许半个小时以上，但之后我们将不得不完成。

Debra:Okay,sounds good.I know there's so much to talk about here.Let's see…I know you mentioned that we will start to see,in terms of the Event,there will be a considerable escalation of events beforehand.So you were saying it'll be weeks[beforehand]?

黛布拉:
好吧，听起来不错，我知道这里有很多东西要谈，让我们看看......我知道你提到我们将开始看到，就事件而言，将有相当多的事件提前升级。
所以你说这将是[提前]几个星期？

Cobra:Yes.Yes,weeks.

柯博拉:是的，是的，几个星期。

Debra:And will Lightworkers have a sense,telepathically or directly,before the Event happens?

黛布拉:在事件发生之前，光之工作者会有感觉吗，心灵感应还是直接的？

Cobra:Oh yes,definitely.There will be people having visions,dreams,revelations,telepathic communication,all that will increase drastically before the Event.

柯博拉:哦，是的，当然。人们会有幻觉，梦境，启示录，心灵感应交流，所有这些在事件发生前都会急剧增加。

Debra:Ok,very good.And can you clarify if it's the Source that triggers the Event,or if it is the Light Forces?

黛布拉:好的，很好。你能说清楚是源头触发了事件，还是光之力量触发了事件？

Cobra:The initial pulse comes directly from the Source and then it filters down through the dimensions through the Light Forces until it reaches the surface of the planet.

柯博拉:最初的脉冲直接来自源头，然后它通过光之力量渗透到各个维度直到它到达行星的表面。

Debra:Okay.So you're saying it's triggered initially by Source?

黛布拉:好的。所以你是说它最初是由本源触发的？

Cobra:Yes.

Cobra:是的。

Debra:Okay,that's what we thought.So with all of the negative technology that's being used against Lightworkers,we see that the work that we've been doing on ourselves over the years is being hindered.Will we benefit from all this work that we're doing after the Event?

黛布拉:好的，我们也是这么想的。因此，随着所有的负面技术被用来对抗光之工作者，我们看到我们多年来对自己所做的工作正在受到阻碍。我们会从事件之后所做的这些工作中获益吗？

Cobra:Yes,of course.Yes,of course,definitely.

柯博拉:是的，当然。是的，当然，肯定。

Debra:What would be the concrete fruit of this persistent Lightwork?

黛布拉:这个持久的光之工作的具体成果是什么？

Cobra:First you will be among the first who will have the opportunity to Ascend.You will have much more possibilities than anybody else,because people will need to go through their healing process,and those who have done their healing process already will have much less to go through.They will be enjoying their lives when the rest of the people will be processing their suppressed emotions quite intensively.Everybody will have to go through this process.There is no avoidance.I mean,everybody will have to face their fears,their guilt,their suppressed anger,all missed opportunities,all mistakes they have made,they will have to deal with all that.

柯博拉:首先，你将成为第一批有机会扬升的人。你们将比其他任何人拥有更多的可能性，因为人们需要经历他们的疗愈过程，而那些已经完成了他们疗愈过程的人们将会经历更少的可能性。他们将会享受他们的生活，而其他人将会非常强烈地处理他们被压抑的情绪。每个人都必须经历这个过程。没有逃避。我的意思是，每个人都必须面对他们的恐惧，他们的内疚，他们被压抑的愤怒，所有错过的机会，所有他们犯过的错误，他们将不得不面对所有这些。

Debra:Do you see us being able to travel the world easily?As well as traveling to other planets after the Event?

黛布拉:你觉得我们能够轻松地环游世界吗？就像事件发生后去其他星球旅行一样？

Cobra:After the Event,things will begin to open.Of course,it's a process because it would have to go through a distribution channels on the surface.New options will open,and they will accelerate,but it will still take some time to reach that state when everybody will be able to go everywhere.

柯博拉:事件之后，一切都会开始。当然，这是一个过程，因为它必须通过表面上的分销渠道。新的选择将会出现，他们将会加速，但是仍然需要一些时间来达到那个状态，当每个人都可以去任何地方的时候。

Debra:And what about Islands of Light?Are they still part of the future after the Event?

黛布拉:那么光之岛呢?它们还是事件发生后未来的一部分吗？

Cobra:Yes.Yes.

柯博拉:是的，是的。

Debra:Is it only Lightworkers or high vibration humans who can live in an Island of Light?

黛布拉:只有光之工作者或高振动人类才能生活在光之岛吗？

Cobra:Only beings who are in the vibration that is compatible with those people who will be able to live with soul families.This is for very advanced people I would say.

柯博拉:只有在振动中的存有才能与那些将能够与灵魂家族生活在一起的人相容。我想说，这是给非常先进的人的。

Debra:So,will the people that we are with,will they be part of our soul family?

黛布拉:那么，和我们在一起的人，他们会成为我们灵魂大家族的一部分吗？

Cobra:People will be there with their soul families,yes,on Islands of Light.

柯博拉:人们会和他们的灵魂家族在那里，是的，在光之岛上。

Debra:Will we get to choose where we live?

黛布拉:我们可以选择住在哪里吗？

Cobra:Of course.

柯博拉:当然。

Debra:I figured that.Let's talk about soul families a little bit.Since everyone is missing each other for so long,are soul families starting to meet each other now,even before the Event?

黛布拉:我猜到了。让我们来谈谈灵魂家族。既然每个人都相互思念了这么久，灵魂家族现在是不是已经开始相遇了，甚至在事件发生之前？

Cobra:Not really.I mean,right now conditions are very unfavorable for meeting of the soul families with all those lockdowns and mandates and the state of affairs on the surface of the planet.For soul families to meet,people need to have enough soul consciousness,enough higher consciousness,for this to manifest,which is clearly not happening right now.

柯博拉:不见得。我的意思是，现在的情况非常不利于灵魂家族的会面因为所有这些封锁和命令以及地球表面的事态。为了让灵魂家族相遇，人们需要有足够的灵魂意识，足够的更高的意识，以显现这一点，这显然不是现在发生的时候。

Debra:So,as of right now,there's really no safe way to do it.

黛布拉:所以，到目前为止，真的没有安全的方法去做到这一点。

Cobra:I mean,it can happen to a limited degree,but it's not the best moment.It's simply not happening right now massively.

柯博拉:我的意思是，它可以发生在一个有限的程度，但它不是最好的时刻。只是现在还没有大规模发生。

Debra:Someone suggested that you create a conference where we could all meet each other.

黛布拉:有人建议你创建一个会议，让我们大家可以见面。

Cobra:We will see.We will see.

柯博拉:我们将会看到。

Debra:That'll be the big post-event party,right?You've given three soul family categories:twin souls,soulmates,and the friendship network.Can you explain more about these categories and how do we know which category of soul family is relevant to us when we've experienced that?

黛布拉:那将是一个盛大的事后派对，对吗？你给出了三个灵魂家族类别:双生灵魂，灵魂伴侣，和友谊网络。你能解释更多关于这些类别的内容吗?当我们经历这些时，我们如何知道哪些类别的灵魂家族与我们相关？

Cobra:Oh,you will know.If you meet your soulmate,you will definitely feel a very strong energy.And when you're ready to meet your twin soul,you will definitely know.You will not meet your twin soul before you're clearing up…that to have such a complete guidance,they will definitely know what I'm talking about.It will be very clear.You will have no need for an external confirmation at that point.You will simply know.

柯博拉:哦，你会知道的。如果你遇到了你的灵魂伴侣，你肯定会感受到一股强大的能量。当你准备好见到你的双生灵魂时，你肯定会知道。你不会见到你的双胞胎灵魂之前，你清理......有这样一个完整的指导，他们肯定会知道我在说什么。一切都会很清楚的。到那时你就不需要外界的确认了。你只需要知道。

Debra:There's been a lot of questions about the twin souls.You know,the dark forces have done a great job in keeping twin souls apart.But with them losing control,is this situation improving?Is there a likelihood that someone could meet their twin soul before the Event,or at least a soulmate who carries the twin soul energy?

黛布拉:有很多关于双生灵魂的问题。你知道，黑暗力量在把双生灵魂分开方面做得很好。但随着他们失去控制，情况会好转吗？有没有可能某人会在事件发生前遇到他们的双生灵魂，或者至少是一个携带双生灵魂能量的灵魂伴侣？

Cobra:As I said before,it is theoretically possible,but it's not happening a lot.It will happen more when we get very close to the Event.

柯博拉:正如我之前所说，理论上是可能的，但这种情况并不常见。当我们非常接近事件时，它会发生得更多。

Debra:Okay.And what about the twin souls who are off planet or below the surface?Will they have to wait until after the Event?

黛布拉:好。那么在地球之外或地表之下的双生灵魂呢？他们必须等到事件发生之后吗？

Cobra:Yes.After the event,those meetings will start and will accelerate as the situation improves.

柯博拉:是的。事件结束后，这些会议将开始，并将随着形势的改善而加速。

Debra:Okay.Do the Light Forces help us meet a twin soul at this point,or will they in the future?I'm sure they can in the future,but what about now?

黛布拉:好的。在这一点上，光明力量会帮助我们遇到一个双生灵魂吗?还是在未来？我相信它们在未来可以，但是现在呢？

Cobra:Right now,it's simply not yet time.Let's say it's not safe.The Cabal is too strong and it's the same as with the First Contact.Usually it will not go well if such a meetings would happen right now,the dark ones could simply kill one or both of them.I mean,it's not safe.

柯博拉:现在还不是时候。让我们假设它不安全。阴谋集团太强大了，和第一次接触一样。通常情况下，如果这样的会面现在就发生的话，不会有什么好结果，黑暗势力可能只是简单地杀死其中一个或者两个。我是说，这不安全。

Part 5:Healing and Protection

Debra:I would like to talk to you a little bit about healing and protection.So back in 2012,you wrote,"The ongoing process of compression means that the light will expose everything that is hidden collectively and individually.When light from above and light from below meet,right on the surface of the planet,this is the moment of compression breakthrough.That occurrence is called the Event."So Cobra,a lot of people are feeling like a suffocating exhaustion;is this the compression part of that compression breakthrough?

黛布拉:我想跟你谈谈疗愈和保护。回到2012年，你写道，"持续的压缩过程意味着光线会将所有隐藏在集体和个体之中的东西暴露出来。当来自上面的光和来自下面的光在地球表面相遇时，这就是压缩突破的时刻。这种现象被称为事件。"那么 Cobra，很多人都感觉到了窒息的疲惫;这是压缩突破的压缩部分吗？

Cobra:Oh,yes.Yes.

柯博拉:哦，是的。

Debra:Kind of like the boiling point that we've talked about.

黛布拉:有点像我们说过的沸点。

Cobra:Yes,yes.It is also dark technologies being cleared,but this pressure which is felt is actually Light squeezing out all the darkness.

柯博拉:是的。它也是黑暗技术被清除，但是这种感觉的压力实际上是光挤出了所有的黑暗。

Debra:That makes sense.And so,many Lightworkers are feeling attacked with the dark ones lashing out,using very creative ways sometimes.Is it easy to assume that every negative situation is an attack?And how do we know if it is a psychic attack?

黛布拉:有道理。因此，许多光之工作者感觉受到了黑暗势力的攻击，他们有时会使用非常有创造性的方式。是不是很容易认为每一个消极的情况都是一种攻击？我们怎么知道这是不是精神攻击？

Cobra:Not every situation is a negative attack,but many of them are,you will simply need to use our guidance and your discernment.

柯博拉:并不是所有的情况都是负面攻击，但是很多情况都是，你只需要利用我们的指导和你的洞察力。

Debra:Okay,and to use the protocols that you've recommended.

黛布拉:好的，使用你推荐的协议。

Cobra:Yes.

柯博拉:是的。

Debra:It's been said that the Light Forces can read our thoughts and emotions,but that the dark ones cannot and only get information by what they can see through our eyes and hear through our ears.So,we're wondering if it's true,and if you could explain how the dark are able to create suffering and havoc in our lives?And if there's anything we can do to block their access to our thoughts and emotions?

黛布拉:据说光明力量可以读取我们的思想和情感，但是黑暗力量不能也只能通过我们的眼睛和耳朵来获取信息。所以，我们想知道这是否是真的，你能否解释一下黑暗是如何在我们的生活中制造痛苦和破坏的？如果我们能做些什么来阻止他们进入我们的思想和情感呢？

Cobra:Simply,when you vibrate highly enough,you will be out of their reach,and it will not be so easy for them to contact you.

柯博拉:简单地说，当你振动得足够高的时候，你就不在他们的控制范围内了，他们就不会那么容易联系到你了。

Debra:Excellent.And it seems like many Lightworkers are being attacked from people around them.Can we,or should we,try to clear loved ones of negative entity attachments?

黛布拉:很好。看起来很多光之工作者正在被他们周围的人攻击。我们是否可以，或者我们应该，尝试清除所爱之人的负面实体依恋？

Cobra:If they request it,if they agree,yes.Otherwise no,except if there is an emergency.

柯博拉:如果他们要求，如果他们同意，可以。否则不行，除非有紧急情况。

Debra:And what did you say,if they're what?

黛布拉:你说什么，如果他们是什么？

Cobra:They need to agree with this.

柯博拉:他们必须同意这一点。

Debra:Well,that's what I was going to ask.Do you need to have their knowledge or permission?

黛布拉:嗯，这正是我想问的。你需要得到他们的知情权或许可吗？

Cobra:Yes.The only exception,if there is an emergency,if they're in danger,of course you can help them without asking for permission.

柯博拉:是的。唯一的例外是，如果有紧急情况，如果他们有危险，你当然可以帮助他们而不需要征求许可。

Debra:I see.How long does a clearing last and what can bring it back?I know probably,you know,addictions and things like that.

黛布拉:我明白了。清理持续多久?什么能把它带回来？我知道可能是因为上瘾之类的原因。

Cobra:It depends how well you are in the clearing process.It depends what you do.So it's not possible to give one unified answer to this.

柯博拉:这取决于你在清理过程中的表现。这取决于你做什么。所以不可能给出一个统一的答案。

Debra:Okay.Does it help if we claim our true power back?(Yes,of course).And connecting to the I AM presence,is that a really good way to do that?

黛布拉:好的。如果我们要回我们真正的力量，会有帮助吗？(是的，当然)。与"我是临在"的存在相连，这真的是一个很好的方式吗？

Cobra:Yes,of course.

柯博拉:当然。

Debra:Okay.How can Lightworkers discern false light in the spiritual community?Are there any tips for us to know if the channelling or message is real?

好的。光之工作者如何识别灵性社区中的虚假光线？有没有什么技巧可以让我们知道通灵或信息是否真实？

Cobra:Yes,use common sense.

柯博拉:是的，用常识。

Debra:Okay.And some people claim that using psilocybin and other natural hallucinogenic plant medicine to access other dimensions exponentially increases their spiritual growth.How do you feel about this,and are these safe?

黛布拉:好的。一些人声称使用裸盖菇素和其他天然致幻植物药物进入其他维度可以成倍地提高他们的精神成长。你对此有何感想，这些药物安全吗？

Cobra:Well,as much I was interacting with people who were taking those,some of them had genuine experiences,but most of them were just channeling the astral plane.So,my general impression is that most of those experiences are not really helping them grow.Of course,there are exceptions.There are people who have done this correctly with people who were Shamans,who were experienced,who gave the right guidance.But in most cases that was simply not true.

柯博拉:我和服用这些药物的人有很多交流，他们中的一些人有着真实的经历，但是他们中的大多数人只是在通灵。所以，我的总体印象是，大多数这些经历并没有真正帮助他们成长。当然，也有例外。有些人正确地做到了这一点，他们是萨满巫师，经验丰富，给予了正确的指导。但在大多数情况下，事实并非如此。

Debra:So done very,mindfully,I think.

黛布拉:我觉得你做得非常用心。

Cobra:Yes.

柯博拉:是的。

Debra:There seems to be an increase in deaths lately.So we're wondering,are these souls who will be unable to withstand the powerful energies of the Event solar flash,or are they just simply choosing not to be here at this time?Why are we seeing more deaths?

黛布拉:最近死亡人数似乎有所增加。所以我们想知道，这些灵魂是否无法承受事件太阳闪光的强大能量，或者他们只是选择在这个时候不在这里？为什么我们会看到更多的死亡？

Cobra:Many people are just tired and wish to opt out and are leaving.This is on a soul level.It's a decision to leave the body.It's happening quite much.

柯博拉:许多人只是累了，希望退出，然后离开。这是一个灵魂层面的问题。这是一个离开身体的决定。这种事经常发生。

Debra:Are the conditions better now on the Astral plane for someone who does die,are souls able to avoid the reincarnation trap,or that depends on their vibration at the time of their transition?

黛布拉:对于那些已经死去的人来说，现在星界的条件是否更好，灵魂是否能够避免轮回陷阱，或者那取决于他们转变时的振动？

Cobra:The conditions are somewhat better,but it's still not safe.Many are able to avoid the trap,and many are not.It depends on their overall vibration,not just at the time of a transition,but being their life in general.And their decision–what they want to do when they die,where they want to go.

柯博拉:情况好一些了，但还是不安全。许多人能够避开这个陷阱，许多人不能。这取决于他们的整体振动，不仅仅是在转变的时候，而是在他们的生活中。他们的决定-他们死后想做什么，他们想去哪里。

Debra:So it really is up to that person?

黛布拉:所以这真的取决于那个人？

Cobra:Yes.I mean,not completely,of course there are external factors.There's still a dark network that wants to capture them,but many are able to escape.

柯博拉:是的。我的意思是，不完全是，当然还有外部因素。仍然有一个黑暗的网络想要捕捉它们，但是很多都能够逃脱。

Debra:What happens to people and Starseeds who leave the physical plane before the Event and Ascension.If they're not in a physical body,will they still be able to ascend?

黛布拉:那些在事件和扬升之前离开物质层的人和星际种子会发生什么。如果他们不在物质身体里，他们还能扬升吗？

Cobra:Yes.Yes.

柯博拉:是的。

Debra:Good.Are we able to protect ourselves and deflect scalar attacks by wearing items like crystals or golden silver or ingesting things like colloidal gold or silver or ormus?

黛布拉:很好。我们是否能够通过佩戴像水晶或者金银这样的物品或者摄取像胶体金、银或者奥姆斯这样的东西来保护我们自己并且避开标量攻击呢？

Cobra:For example,there are some Tachyon technologies that can help repelling those scalar attacks.And there are some other technologies that are also quite effective–and Cintamani stones,of course,help with your vibrational frequency quite much.

柯博拉:例如，有一些超光速粒子技术可以帮助击退这些标量攻击。还有一些其他的技术也相当有效-当然，如意宝珠，对你的振动频率有很大的帮助。

Debra:Well,that was what I was about to ask you,was the Cintamani stones.What makes them the highest vibrational stone?

黛布拉:嗯，这就是我要问你的，是如意宝珠。是什么让它们成为最高的振动石？

Cobra:They came from Sirius star system,and Sirius star system is one of the brightest spots in the whole galaxy.It's a pure light energy and those stones are pure light.

柯博拉:它们来自天狼星系统，天狼星系统是整个星系中最亮的点之一。它是一种纯光能量，那些石头是纯光。

Debra:So with them being pure light,some people are confused because it's suggested that we do not wear them during times of emotional distress because that effect could seep into the planetary energy fields.

黛布拉:因为它们是纯净的光，有些人感到困惑，因为有人建议我们在情绪低落的时候不要戴它们，因为这种效应会渗透到行星的能量场中。

Cobra:Well,they act as a magnifying lens and if we emit negative energy,they can magnify that and put it in the network.So it's really a special stone.

柯博拉:嗯，它们就像一个放大镜，如果我们发射出负能量，它们就会放大这些负能量，并把它们放到网络中。所以这真的是一块特殊的石头。

Debra:So it's still guided that we do not have it on us when we're…

黛布拉:所以它仍然被引导着，当我们..。

Cobra:If you are really strongly distressed,I would say put it down for a few moments.I would not be overly concerned with this,but if you're already highly distressed then better just leave it,put it down.

柯博拉:如果你真的非常痛苦，我建议你把它放下一会儿。我不会过分关心这个，但是如果你已经非常痛苦，那么最好放下它，把它放下。

Debra:Understood.Why do so few people know about these stones?It seems even within the spiritual community people are unaware.

黛布拉:明白。为什么知道这些石头的人这么少？似乎即使在精神世界里，人们也没有意识到。

Cobra:Yeah,this is what you need to ask them.Don't ask me.

柯博拉:是的，这就是你需要问他们的。不要问我。

Debra:Exactly!Well,we're getting the word out.We know that these will play an important role at the time of the Event and that's why we're trying to get more stones out there.Can you speak a little bit about the effects that it will have with us,you know,wearing them,planting them,that kind of thing?

黛布拉:没错！我们要把消息传出去。我们知道这些石头在事件发生的时候会扮演重要的角色，这就是为什么我们试图在那里获得更多的石头。你能说说它对我们的影响吗，你知道，穿戴它们，埋放它们，诸如此类的事情？

Cobra:Okay,each Cintamani stone that is planted in the grid,there is an angelic being that attaches to them,anchors to that stone.So we're actually helping to anchor a huge number of angelic beings in the energy grid of the planet.Now,of course,that is very much needed,and this is very effective.

柯博拉:好的，每一块被植入网格中的如意宝珠，都有一个天使附着在它们上面，锚定在那块石头上。所以我们实际上是在帮助大量的天使生物，在这个星球的能量网格中定位。当然，这是非常必要的，而且非常有效。

Debra:And what about when we wear them?

黛布拉:那我们穿的时候呢？

Cobra:Then we're inviting those angelic beings to assist us in our evolution.

柯博拉:我们邀请那些天使帮助我们进化。

Debra:Wonderful.And of course,people can find out about the Cintamani stones on your website.I have some questions from Tachyon chamber owners.There are now about 73 chambers around the world for public use.And people are wondering if these can help stop the virus or correct problems caused by the injection?

黛布拉:太好了。当然，人们可以在你的网站上找到如意宝珠。我有几个来自超光速粒子室主的问题。现在全世界大约有73个供公众使用的密室。人们想知道这些是否有助于阻止病毒或纠正由注射引起的问题？

Cobra:They will not stop the virus,but they will harmonize your body to better deal with a virus,or to deal with anything.

柯博拉:他们不能阻止病毒，但是他们可以协调你的身体来更好地应对病毒，或者应对任何事情。

Debra:And they're often asked what's the difference between Tachyon chambers and Medbeds?

黛布拉:他们经常被问到超光速粒子室和医疗床的区别是什么？

Cobra:That's a completely different technology.Tachyon chambers are infusing our bodies with Tachyons.Whereas the Medbeds are actually a technology which rearranges the atomic structure of the physical body.It's quite an advanced technology that is not yet present on the surface of the planet.And it will not be present before the Event,no matter what anybody else says.

柯博拉:那是一种完全不同的技术。超光速粒子室正在向我们的身体注入超光速粒子。而医疗床实际上是一种重新排列物质身体原子结构的技术。这是一项相当先进的技术，目前还没有出现在地球表面。不管其他人怎么说，它也不会在事件发生之前出现。

Debra:Okay,that was my question…would we have access to these before the Event,because many people[in the alternative media]are talking about them.So Tachyon chambers are currently available now;can you share with us how they can help people now?You once said that as the vibration of Gaia increases,the impact of the chambers increases as well.So would you elaborate on how the chambers assist with implant clearing and the Ascension process?

黛布拉:好吧，这就是我的问题......我们能在事件前看到这些东西吗，因为很多人(在另类媒体中)都在谈论它们。所以超光速粒子实验室现在已经可以使用了;你能和我们分享一下他们现在如何帮助人们吗？你曾经说过，随着 Gaia 振动的增加，密室的影响也会增加。所以你能详细说明一下密室是如何协助植入物清理和扬升过程的吗？

Cobra:Actually,Tachyon chambers bring Tachyon energy into your energy field and then your energy field spontaneously rearranges with the energy of the Source because Tachyons are coming directly from the Source.And this is the shortest possible shortcut towards the Ascension.And of course,as your energy field rearranges and realigns with full alignment with the divine archetype,your physical body reacts also and you bring your physical body state of greater health.So that's the main principle.And as the energies get stronger,as we get closer to the Event,the effect of those chambers will only increase.

柯博拉:事实上，超光速粒子室将超光速粒子的能量带入你的能量场然后你的能量场自发地与源头的能量重新排列因为超光速粒子直接来自源头。这是通往扬升的最短捷径。当然，当你的能量场重新排列并与神圣原型完全对齐时，你的物质身体也会做出反应，你会带来更健康的物质身体状态。这就是主要原则。随着能量变得越来越强，随着我们越来越接近事件，这些密室的作用只会增加。

Debra:Wonderful.And of course,people can find out about the Tachyon chambers on your website as well.And I will personally testify that they are fabulous,so I would encourage everyone to find one in their area or make an effort to go to one.

黛布拉:太好了。当然，人们也可以在你的网站上找到关于超光速粒子室的信息。我会亲自作证，它们非常棒，所以我鼓励每个人都在自己的领域内找到一个，或者努力去找一个。

Part 6:Goddess/Sisterhood of the Rose

Debra:Okay,Cobra a couple more minutes.In the last part,I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about the Goddess and Sisterhood of the Rose.It was exciting to read your recent update when you wrote,"Increased Galactic Central Sun activity has also resulted in a new inflow of Goddess energy for the planet.Isis got her crown back."

黛布拉:好的，柯博拉，再等几分钟。在最后一部分，我想问你几个关于女神和玫瑰姐妹会的问题。看到你最近的更新令人兴奋，当你写道，"银河系中央太阳活动的增加也导致了新的女神能量流入行星。伊希斯夺回了她的王冠。"

Now you had also posted"Isis got her crown back"in 2012.And then in an interview in 2017,when asked what this means,you explained,"It is a symbolic code for the embodiment of the Goddess on the surface of this planet especially,and in the solar system,because the Goddess presence has been suppressed and so symbolically'Goddess Isis gets her crown back'means that the Goddess presence will be empowered back again.And a true,real feminine principle will begin to flow freely,energetically,and physically,throughout the surface of the planet."So Cobra,if this already happened nine years ago,what is the relevance right now?What's the difference between your recent message and the same message in 2012?

你还在2012年发布了"Isis 夺回了她的王冠"。然后在2017年的一次采访中，当被问及这意味着什么时，你解释说，"这是女神在这个星球表面，特别是在太阳系的化身的象征性代码，因为女神的存在被压制了，所以象征性的'女神伊希斯拿回她的皇冠'意味着女神的存在将再次被赋予权力。一个真正的、真正的女性能量将开始在这个星球的表面自由地、能量地、物理地流动。"那么 Cobra，如果这在九年前就已经发生了，那么现在还有什么意义呢？你最近的信息和2012年的相同信息有什么不同？

Cobra:Goddess energy comes towards this planet in waves.One of those waves was in 2012,and then there were a few waves after that.Now another wave of Goddess energy hit the planet in October of this year.And this wave was very important because it has rearranged certain things behind the scenes,which I will not yet talk about,but they are quite important,I would say the balance of power at the top of the Black Nobility families has changed.The certain plans of the Light Forces have changed,have been accelerated,and certain things are looking much better than they did before.This was completely unexpected.I was not expecting this wave to hit,and it did and it was a pleasant surprise.And now this is increasing and is preparing foundations for some certain things in next year that are being planned by the Light Forces.

柯博拉:女神的能量一波一波地涌向这个星球。其中一次是在2012年，之后还有几次。今年10月，另一波女神能量袭击了地球。这股浪潮非常重要，因为它重新安排了幕后的某些事情，我还不会谈论，但它们非常重要，我想说，黑色贵族家族高层的权力平衡已经发生了变化。光明势力的某些计划已经改变，已经加速，某些事情看起来比以前好多了。这完全出乎意料。我没有预料到会有这样的波浪袭来，它确实袭来了，这是一个令人愉快的惊喜。现在这种情况正在增加，并且正在为明年的某些事情做准备，正在为明年光明力量计划的某些事情准备基础。

Debra:Excellent.That's fantastic news.In 2018,the Galactic Federation Forces of Light had decreed the surface of this planet to be turned into Confederation command,according to the Galactic Codex.If we combine this statement with the code,"Isis got her crown back,"does this mean that goddess Isis will personally reign over the surface as Earth queen?

黛布拉:很好。这真是个好消息。根据《银河法典》，2018年，银河联邦光之力量颁布法令，将这颗行星的表面转变为联邦指挥部。如果我们把这句话和代码结合起来，"Isis 拿回了她的王冠"，这是否意味着 Isis 女神将作为地球女王亲自统治地球表面？

Cobra:This is a very sensitive issue.I would say that the Light Forces got certain mandates,certain legal conditions have been fulfilled for certain actions that will lead towards the defeat of the Cabal,towards the defeat of the leading Black Nobility families.This is as much as I can say right now.

柯博拉:这是一个非常敏感的问题。我想说，光明部队得到了一定的授权，一定的法律条件已经满足了一定的行动，将导致打败阴谋集团，打败主要的黑色贵族家族。我现在只能说这么多了。

Debra:Okay,thank you.Is it possible that Isis,or the Galactic Central Sun,or the Source itself is incarnated on the planet now?(No,no.)Is there currently a High Priestess?(No.)Okay.What if someone is interested in learning about the mysteries of Isis,is there a way to become a student?

好的，谢谢。有没有可能 Isis，或者银河系的中央太阳，或者源头本身现在在这个星球上？不，不可能现在有高级女祭司吗？没有好吧。如果有人对伊斯兰国的秘密感兴趣，有没有成为学生的方法？

Cobra:People are learning in their own way.There is no Goddess mystery school present on the surface of the planet yet.The situation is not yet ready,but there are fragments of true mysteries here and there.I had a few workshops that were quite powerful three years ago when I had revealed a great deal of this and there are probably notes floating somewhere over the internet.And you can get those and learn from there,but this is not the whole story.There is much more to it.

柯博拉:人们在用自己的方式学习。目前在地球表面还没有女神神秘学校存在。情况还没有准备好，但是到处都有真正神秘的片段。三年前，我曾举办过几个非常有影响力的研讨会，当时我已经透露了很多这方面的信息，网上可能有很多笔记。你可以从中学习，但这并不是故事的全部。还有更多的东西。

Debra:Okay.I would like to ask you a little bit about Goddess vortexes.What about God Vortexes?It's said that the vortexes are categorized as feminine when the energy enters the earth,and they are masculine when the energy leaves the earth.Are both equally important and do they work together?

黛布拉:好的。我想问你一些关于女神漩涡的问题。上帝漩涡怎么样？据说当能量进入地球时，漩涡被归类为女性，当能量离开地球时，它们被归类为男性。两者同等重要吗?它们是否一起起作用？

Cobra:Yes,both are equally important,but there has been such a big disbalance created that first the Goddess vortexes need to be activated.And only when this network is stable enough,will the God vortexes be activated again,because God's vortexes are very powerful.And when there is still a great possibility that this power will be misused,they cannot be activated.It's not safe.

柯博拉:是的，两者都同样重要，但是已经产生了这么大的不平衡，首先女神漩涡需要被激活。只有当这个网络足够稳定时，上帝的漩涡才会再次被激活，因为上帝的漩涡非常强大。当这种力量被滥用的可能性仍然很大的时候，它们就不能被激活。这不安全。

Debra:The double Paris-Versailles vortex is being prepared for a new level of activity this month.Can you share more?How can we support this?

黛布拉:
本月，巴黎和凡尔赛宫的双重漩涡正准备达到一个新的水平。你能分享更多吗?我们如何支持这一点?

Cobra:No,not yet.

柯博拉:不，还没有。

Debra:Okay,we look forward to hearing about that.A couple of questions about the Myrrhophores priestesses in your recent update.These goddesses were practicing in the ancient temples of Egypt,bringing myrrh to those who are approaching death.Does such a return of these priestesses mean that they will come to the surface as a trained spiritual group?And will members of the Sisterhood be initiated as these priestesses?

黛布拉:好的，我们很期待听到这个消息。在你最近的更新中有几个关于 Myrrhophores 女祭司的问题。这些女神在埃及古老的寺庙中练习，将没药带给那些濒临死亡的人。这些女祭司的回归是否意味着她们将作为一个训练有素的精神团体来到地表？蔷薇圣女团成员会成为这些女祭司吗？

Cobra:It doesn't mean a return of the priestesses from below the surface,not yet.But fragments of this knowledge are coming back to the surface population again.And it's not just about the myrrh and those who are approaching death.It's a whole science,a whole teaching of how to use sacred oils for different purposes to raise the vibration,to activate certain chakras,to activate certain higher facilities.It's a lot more to this,and this is slowly being revealed to the surface population.

柯博拉:这并不意味着女祭司们会从地下回来，至少现在还不是。但是这些知识的碎片又回到了地表。这不仅仅是关于没药和那些濒临死亡的人。这是一个完整的科学，一个完整的教学如何使用圣油的不同目的，以提高振动，激活某些脉轮，激活某些更高的设施。还有更多的内容，这些内容正在慢慢被地表人口所知晓。

Debra:Well,I was just about to ask you what other oils are powerful and useful to know about?And we're wondering if these oils penetrate layers of our dimension,such as the plasma or etheric layer?

黛布拉:好吧，我正要问你还有什么其他的油是有用的呢？我们想知道这些油是否能穿透我们的维度，比如等离子层或者以太层？

Cobra:Yes,they can.

柯博拉:是的，他们可以。

Debra:Are there other oils that you can share right now?

黛布拉:现在还有其他油可以分享吗？

Cobra:There are a few,quite a few that are quite important.One of them is of course the rose oil,the sandalwood oil,and many others.Most of them were used in ancient temples in Egypt,in Greece,in India,in ancient cultures,they knew about them.And they're waiting to be rediscovered.

柯博拉:有一些，一些是相当重要的。其中之一当然是玫瑰油，檀香油，还有很多其他的。它们大多用于埃及，希腊，印度的古代寺庙，在古代文化中，他们知道它们。它们正在等待被重新发现。

Debra:Wonderful.Okay,a couple more questions,Cobra.There are Lightworkers who work diligently to keep their energy fields clean and have abstained from sexual relations due to not being able to find a high vibration partner,because they're aware of the fact that dark entities can infiltrate and harness sexual energy.This is also causing many women to cut off the much-needed sensual and sexual energy of the Goddess within themselves.And so,one Sister asks,"If a woman feels a desire to unite with someone,but the man is very unconscious,will this put bad energy into the field?"Cobra,what do you suggest?Is energetic protection needed?Are the energies being cleared more?Is it any safer to allow more sexual expressions of ourselves,or is it still best to abstain?

黛布拉:太好了。好吧，还有几个问题，Cobra。有些光之工作者勤奋地工作以保持他们能量场的清洁，并且由于无法找到高振动伴侣而避免了性关系，因为他们意识到黑暗实体可以渗透并利用性能量这一事实。这也导致许多女性切断了她们内在女神急需的感官和性能量。因此，一位修女问道，"如果一个女人想要和某人结合，而男人却非常无意识，这会不会给这个领域带来坏的能量?"Cobra，你有什么建议？需要有力的保护吗？能量被清除得更多了吗？允许自己更多的性表达是否更安全，还是最好还是禁欲？

Cobra:If it's done with the right intention,there is nothing wrong with it.I mean it does not mean that the entities need to come into you if you're doing it from the right intention.If there is a connection between you and this other person,no matter what his vibrational frequency is,that itself will determine what will happen,how the energies will exchange.So I would not be overly worried about those entities,if you are doing it for the right purpose.As it would anything else in your life,entities can jump on you while you're having breakfast,for example.If you're in a bad mood or if you're angry,fighting with somebody.

柯博拉:如果是出于正确的目的，那么就没有什么错。我的意思是，这并不意味着如果你是出于正确的目的，那么实体就需要进入你的身体。如果你和这个人之间有某种联系，不管他的振动频率是多少，这本身就会决定将会发生什么，能量将如何交换。所以我不会过分担心这些实体，如果你是出于正确的目的。就像你生活中的其他事情一样，例如，当你正在吃早餐的时候，这些实体会跳到你身上。如果你心情不好或者生气了，就和别人打架。

Debra:Good point.The fact that this union involves two people,do both people have to have that intention or is it okay if just one of the partners does?

黛布拉:说得好。事实上，这个结合涉及到两个人，两个人都必须有这样的意图吗?或者只有一个合伙人有这样的意图可以吗？

Cobra:Well,there needs to be a certain agreement at least to a certain degree about the intention.Otherwise,it will not be a pleasant act.That's obvious.They don't need to be exactly the same level of consciousness.It does not need to be perfect,but there needs to be some basic understanding,a basic unification of purpose,why this is happening,and then it should be okay.And of course,you can use,you can use the Violet Flame,you can use basic protection techniques,that's also helpful sometimes.

柯博拉:嗯，至少在某种程度上，需要有一个关于意图的某种协议。否则，这将不是一个令人愉快的行为。这很明显。他们不需要完全相同的意识水平。它不需要是完美的，但是需要有一些基本的理解，一个基本的目标的统一，为什么会发生，然后它应该是好的。当然，你可以使用，你可以使用紫色火焰，你可以使用基本的保护技术，有时候这也是有帮助的。

Debra:I see,understood.She also asked,"Can a man be healed with Goddess energy this way?Is it something similar to what the sacred prostitutes did,and can you tell something about them or give some advice on how to be one?And what is the importance of living our sensuality?"

黛布拉:我明白了。她还问:"女神的能量可以用这种方式治愈一个人吗？是不是类似于圣娼所做的事情，你能告诉我们一些关于她们的事情或者给出一些如何成为圣娼女的建议吗？生活在性感中的重要性是什么?"

Cobra:Yes,of course a man can be healed with the Goddess energy,if he's receptive to it this way.And of course,a woman can do that if she's so guided.And if she follows that path,she can ask for guidance,and she will receive guidance in many different ways.

柯博拉:是的，当然一个人可以被女神的能量治愈，如果他这样接受的话。当然，一个女人可以做到这一点，如果她被如此引导。如果她遵循这条道路，她可以寻求指导，并且她将以许多不同的方式得到指导。

Debra:And of course,it is important to live our sensuality,but healthy sexual energy and expression seem to be a missing link in our world.How can we learn more about this?

黛布拉:当然，生活在性感中是很重要的，但是健康的性能量和性表达似乎是我们世界中缺失的一环。我们怎样才能了解更多呢？

Cobra:Again,you need to learn more about your own sexual energy,about your own Kundalini energy,explore it in a way that feels okay with you.Use your own inner guidance.Do not look so much to external sources because most of the external sources have been compromised.You need to unlearn whatever you have learned and just explore inside–inside your energy field,inside of your body first.And then you will know what I'm talking about.

柯博拉:同样，你需要更多地了解你自己的性能量，了解你自己的昆达里尼能量，以一种让你感觉良好的方式去探索它。使用你自己的内心指引。不要过于依赖外部资源，因为大多数外部资源已经被破坏了。你需要忘记你已经学到的东西，只是探索你的能量场内部，首先是你的身体内部。然后你就知道我在说什么了。

Debra:Thank you.A couple quick questions about twin souls.We've talked about this before,but wondering what we can do to attract more?We Love Mass Meditation put out a guided audio for the twin soul meditation,so that's good to do,but what else can we do?

黛布拉:谢谢。几个关于双生灵魂的问题。我们之前已经讨论过这个问题，但是想知道我们能做些什么来吸引更多的人吗？我们热爱群体冥想为双生灵魂冥想提供了一个指导性的音频，所以这很好，但是我们还能做什么呢？

Cobra:That's actually a very good meditation.It was given to humanity by the Light Forces.And it's a very good meditation,you can do that.This is almost the best thing you can do at this point.

柯博拉:这实际上是一个很好的冥想。这是光之力量赋予人类的。这是一个很好的冥想，你可以这样做。这几乎是你现在能做的最好的事情了。

Debra:Okay,fantastic.We sometimes in our implant clearing sessions do that meditation.But people do ask why,in the meditation,the twin soul is referred to as"her"?I had asked you about this and you said,"The soul(Buddha)is the feminine aspect,and the spirit(Atma)is the masculine aspect.So the twin soul is a'her'."Could you elaborate more so that people can fully understand this?Because I still had questions after I had told them that.

黛布拉:好的，太棒了。我们有时会在植入物清理过程中进行冥想。但是人们确实会问，为什么在冥想中，双生灵魂被称为"她"？我曾经问过你这个问题，你说，"灵魂(Buddha)是女性的一面，而精神(Atma)是男性的一面。所以双生灵魂是'她'。"你能详细说明一下吗，这样人们就能完全理解了？因为在我告诉他们这些之后，我仍然有疑问。

Cobra:Ok,the level,the dimension,where the soul resides is a feminine energy.So that's why we address the soul as"her."It's very simple.

柯博拉:好的，这个层次，这个维度，灵魂居住的地方是一个女性能量。这就是为什么我们称灵魂为"她"很简单。

Debra:Okay,thank you.And is sacred union between a man and woman part of the Goddess mysteries?

黛布拉:好的，谢谢。男女之间的神圣结合是女神秘术的一部分吗？

Cobra:Yes,definitely.

柯博拉:是的，当然。

Debra:That's what we thought.And will the full knowledge and secrets of these mystery schools be revealed after the Event?

黛布拉:我们也是这么想的。事件发生后，这些神秘学校的全部知识和秘密会被揭露吗？

Cobra:After the Event.Yes.

柯博拉:事件之后，是的。

Debra:And will the Sisterhood of the Rose groups play an important role in reactivating these?

黛布拉:蔷薇圣女团会在重新激活这些组织方面发挥重要作用吗？

Cobra:Definitely.Definitely.Very much.

柯博拉:当然的。

Debra:What direction do you see for Sisterhood of the Rose groups in 2022?Do you have a message for them?

黛布拉:你认为蔷薇圣女团在2022年的发展方向是什么？你有什么话要对她们说吗？

Cobra:Yes,it will be good for all those groups that are still existing to reunite in power,meet more,because some of them are in various stages of decomposition.It's time for them to reunite again,to renew connections again.A different dynamic has,and all those lockdowns have,reduced the number of physical meetings.Perhaps you can reinstate the physical meetings again,which is quite important to hold the energy.You can study all those new teachings about the Myrrhophore priestesses.You can connect with Goddess Isis,especially because her energy is coming back big time in the year 2022.

柯博拉:
是的，这将有利于所有那些仍然存在的团体重新团结在权力中，遇见更多，因为他们中的一些人正处于不同的分解阶段。是时候让他们重新团结起来，重新建立联系了。一个不同的动态，所有这些封锁，减少了物理会议的数量。也许你可以再次恢复实体会议，这对于保持能量十分重要。你可以学习那些关于没药女祭司的新教义。你可以和伊希斯女神联系，特别是因为她的能量在2022年会回来。

Debra:Oh,excellent.Good to know.And I'd like to just share that the Sisterhood of the Rose has something planned for 2022 to provide weekly meditation for the goddess meditations,so we will keep our eyes open for that.

黛布拉:哦，太棒了。很高兴知道。我想和大家分享一下蔷薇圣女团计划在2022年为女神冥想提供每周一次的冥想，所以我们会一直关注这个。

And Cobra as we close this interview,we would like to know what do you see ahead for all of humanity in 2022?And what message do you have for us?

在我们结束这次采访之际，我们想知道你对2022年全人类的未来有什么看法？你对我们有什么信息？

Cobra:This now is a very complex time.It has never been so complex.So it is one of the times where it's almost impossible to predict how things will turn out.Because it is the time of great tension,and at the same time,a time of a huge potential.So the more we unite,the more we focus upon what we want to manifest,the more we are manifesting this,as we're doing this meditation we can keep manifesting this,and it can ensure our success.It can bring our success much closer.The message will simply be"Victory of the Light".This is what we are here for,and this is what we will get.No matter what it takes.

柯博拉:现在是一个非常复杂的时代。从未如此复杂过。因此，这是一个几乎不可能预测事情将如何发展的时代。因为这是一个非常紧张的时期，同时也是一个潜力巨大的时期。所以我们越是团结，我们越是专注于我们想要显化的东西，我们就越能显化这个东西，当我们在做这个冥想的时候，我们可以继续显化这个东西，它可以确保我们的成功。它可以让我们的成功更加接近。这个信息就是"光的胜利"。这就是我们在这里的目的，也是我们将要得到的。无论付出什么代价。

Debra:Absolutely.And of course our meditation on December 21st will have a big impact,as well as signing that petition.So please check out Cobra's website at 2012portal.blogspot.com,along with welovemassmeditation.com for information on all of that.Share the word,spread the word.Let's surpass critical mass on this.

黛布拉:当然。我们在12月21日的冥想会产生很大的影响，就像签署请愿书一样。所以，请登陆 Cobra 的网站:2012portal.blogspot.com，以及 welovemassmeditation.com 获取相关信息。分享信息，传播信息。让我们在这方面超越临界质量。

Follow Cobra's blog for intel on the greatest Event to ever reach our planet,our galaxy,our universe as we go through these times.I would like to thank all of the Sisterhood of the Rose and my Victory of the Light team for assisting with contributing to the questions.

关注柯博拉的博客，了解我们所经历的这些时代中，有史以来最伟大的事件，它将影响到我们的星球，我们的银河系，我们的宇宙。我想感谢蔷薇圣女团和我的胜利之光团队，感谢他们对这些问题的贡献。

We do encourage people to check out Sisterhood of the Rose,forming a group in your area,find out what we do,and our website is sisterhoodoftherose.network.

我们确实鼓励人们去看看"蔷薇圣女团"，在你所在的地区成立一个小组，了解我们的工作，我们的网站是 sisterhoodoftherose.net work。

Once again,Cobra,we thank you so much.We appreciate all of the intel,all the hard work that you're doing.We know this isn't easy for anyone,but we are supporting you,we love you,and we say,"Victory of the Light!"Thank you.

柯博拉，我们再次感谢你。我们感谢你们提供的所有情报以及你们的辛勤工作。我们知道这对任何人来说都不容易但我们支持你们，我们爱你们我们说"光的胜利"谢谢。

Cobra:Thank you everybody and Victory of the Light!

谢谢大家，光的胜利！

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About this blog:

关于这个博客:

We Love Mass Meditation organizes Mass Meditations aiming to help achieve planetary liberation as soon as possible and as smoothly as possible.

我们热爱群体冥想组织群体冥想，旨在帮助尽快、尽可能顺利地实现行星的解放。

Please join any of the meditations below if you feel so guided.

如果你觉得被引导了，请加入下面的冥想。

Divine Intervention Activation on December 21st at 4 PM UTC

协调世界时12月21日下午4点启动神圣介入

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2021/11/divine-intervention-activation-on-december-21st-at-4-pm-utc-1221.html

Urgent meditation for liberating all hostages from underground bases

从地下基地解救所有人质的紧急冥想

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2021/05/urgent-meditation-for-liberating-all-hostages-from.html

Meditation for Taiwan every 4 hours

每4小时为台湾进行一次冥想

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2021/09/meditation-for-taiwan-every-4-hours.html

Meditation for Afghanistan every 4 hours

阿富汗冥想每4小时

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2021/08/meditation-for-afghanistan-every-4-hours.html

Flower of Life Meditation,12 PM UTC and every 4 hours,also at any time and as often as possible

生命之花冥想，协调世界时下午12点，每4小时，也在任何时间，尽可能经常

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2019/09/flower-of-life-meditation-every-4-hours.html

Meditation to counteract medical tyranny daily at 9:30 PM UTC

协调世界时每天晚上9:30冥想来抵消医疗暴政

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2020/09/meditation-to-counteract-engineer-second-wave-lockdowns-daily-at-930-pm-utc.html

End of Coronavirus Meditation at 3 PM UTC and every 4 hours

协调世界时下午3点结束冠状病毒冥想，每4小时一次

http://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2020/04/end-of-coronavirus-meditation-on-sunday-at-3pm-utc-and-every-4-hours.html

Meditation to stop the Coronavirus outbreak globally every 4 hours

每4小时进行一次冥想，以阻止新冠病毒在全球范围内的爆发

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2020/01/Urgent-meditation-to-stop-the-pandemics-outbreak-in-china-every-4-hours.html

Emergency Meditation at 2 PM UTC

协调世界时下午2点的紧急冥想

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2018/02/breakthrough-meditation-at-2-pm-utc-and.html

Goddess Vortex Meditation at 2:30 PM UTC

协调世界时下午2:30的女神漩涡冥想

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2021/01/goddess-vortex-meditation-at-230-pm-utc-every-day.html

Cosmic Central Race Meditation at 3:15 PM UTC

协调世界时下午3:15宇宙中央种族冥想

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2019/02/cosmic-central-race-meditation-at-315.html

Buddhic Columns Meditation at 3:30 PM UTC

协调世界时下午3:30的菩提光柱冥想

https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2018/10/daily-buddhic-columns-meditation-at-330.html

We also organize different mass meditations regularly for various purposes.They can be found in this link below:

我们也为不同的目的定期组织不同的群体冥想，它们可以在以下链接中找到:

https://welovemassmeditation.blogspot.co.uk/p/blog-page.html

Donation to We Love Mass Meditation Fund

捐款给我们热爱大众冥想基金

We Love Mass Meditation Fund provides emergency financial support to Lightworkers around the world.Please feel free to make a regular or one-off contribution using the link below:

我们热爱大众冥想基金为世界各地的光之工作者提供紧急财政支持。请随时使用以下链接定期或一次性捐款:

paypal.me/WeLoveMassMeditation

Please assist/support us for a smooth transition in planetary liberation in the highest Light.

请协助/支持我们在最高的光中行星解放的平稳过渡。

We Love Mass Meditation Healing Group

我们热爱群体冥想治疗小组

You are welcome to join our healing group to request healing from healers around the world,we are also looking for qualified healers to join this group to help people in need

欢迎您加入我们的治疗小组，请求来自世界各地的治疗师的治疗，我们也正在寻找合格的治疗师加入这个小组，以帮助有需要的人

https://www.facebook.com/groups/welovemassmeditationhealing

来源：https://www.welovemassmeditation.com/2021/12/sisterhood-of-rose-interview-with-cobra-divine-intervention-activation.html